[AT] OFF Topic: 4 month Verizon WAR

Fri Sep 4 06:15:15 PDT 2015

If I found another way to see live sports I would totally cut the cord. 
That is my one thing that keeps me with cable. Breaking News I now get 
via Twitter (which is much more breaking but often less accurate so 
there is a tradeoff there).  Broadcast News is always superficial and 
most always biased either intentionally or not - I guess that is the 
human condition.

David
NW NC

On 9/4/2015 7:45 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> Again, Mike M and I are 100% in agreement.  I enjoyed his comments about
> "news" these days.
>
> Have you ever had something significant happen locally, big enough to make
> the Big Four national news?  I've seen this at least a few times
> (typically, weather events; we've had a couple that were the lead story on
> the national news).  Since it's local, I naturally have a pretty decent
> picture of what's really going on.  Every single time, the national news
> report is superficial, hitting only a fraction of the details that would be
> needed to present something like a comprehensive picture.  I know they have
> time constraints but each and every time they could have told a decent
> story in the time alotted; instead what came out is just the shocking
> "entertaining" details which tell a very distorted version of the real
> story.  It is reasonable to believe that every single story is the same -
> there is NO comprehensive responsible journalism in the news.
>
> I am politically pretty neutral, and I am bothered by most news sources,
> which almost always have a bias, typically either a subtle liberal slant or
> a strong conservative slant.  One of the news sources I tend to like these
> days, which makes a real effort to focus on facts and responsible
> journalism, is called The Conversation.  It's much more oriented toward
> news analysis, versus useless up-to-the-minute "late breaking news!" sound
> bites.
>
> https://theconversation.com/us
>
>
> SO
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never felt better than after cutting the cord, I don't care what's
>> on TV because I watch so little of it. If you're the type that thinks
>> you are actually getting news from any of the major outlets, then you
>> are fooling yourself, and that includes FOX news, which I used to watch.
>> Having two people on with opposing viewpoints and watching them talk
>> over each other for 10 minutes is not news, it's crap. If you can't find
>> independent sources for news on the internet, then you are part of the
>> problem in my opinion.  Just remember the editor chooses what to run, so
>> you are letting one person decide what you see and what you hear.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>> On 9/2/2015 10:08 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>> I'm with Mike M!  Over the 12 years I've lived in my current home, we've
>>> been back and forth with DirecTV, cable TV, brief periods with both, and
>>> now for the last couple years, none of the above.  The future of home
>>> entertainment is streaming from the Internet.  We use the cable now for
>>> nothing but Internet service which is somewhere around $60 a month.  And
>> we
>>> pay $8 a month for Hulu Plus.  (Seems like almost everyone does Netflix,
>>> but somehow we get along fine with just Hulu.)  We don't have rooftop
>>> antenna, because according to some website that analyzes your terrain
>>> versus the signals from local towers, I'd need a really tall mast and a
>>> fancy amplified antenna to grab about two channels.  I guess I live in a
>>> hole.
>>>
>>> The huge upside to streaming, that I have not heard anyone mention yet,
>> is
>>> that the whole Internet acts effectively as your DVR.  You can watch
>>> anything the Internet offers, and unlike either cable or satellite DVR's,
>>> there's no need to decide upfront what you want to record.
>>>
>>> Downside to streaming is pro sports.  Or at least so I am told.  I'm not
>> a
>>> fan of any conventional sports like baseball or football or basketball
>> so I
>>> can't say for sure but I hear that it's either expensive or impossible to
>>> stream sports.  I think that's where the rooftop antenna comes in.  And
>> you
>>> can get fairly inexpensive DVR's for antennas these days (TiVo OTA for
>> $50
>>> and $15 a month subscription fee).
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I said before Charlie, I recently cut the cord, and couldn't be
>>>> happier. I have a roof top antennae, ($40) , and I have have Netflix and
>>>> Hulu, each $8.00 per month. We have not run out of stuff to watch, and
>>>> were quite frankly getting sick of the PC crap the networks were
>>>> cramming down our throats. My wife gets up early for work, and by the
>>>> time we get evening chores done, we have about 1 hour for TV. It will be
>>>> years before we run out of content, if ever. It saved me about $1000 per
>>>> year, that's  a nice tractor implement each year. :)
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On 9/1/2015 7:16 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>> Steve,  I threatened to leave Dish Network off and on for years
>>>>> and they would never do anything to help me.  I called and
>>>>> asked for some new equipment and they refused to supply that.
>>>>> I was there customer for probably 20 years or close to it myself.
>>>>> Finally they sent me a letter telling me they were changing their
>>>>> satellites and my equipment wouldn't work any longer.  I called them
>>>>> and told them the only way I would agree to their changes was if they
>>>>> did something about the amount of money I was paying them. It had
>>>>> gone up over the years from about 70 bucks to over 100.  They kept
>>>> wanting
>>>>> to come and put in new equipment.  I refused unless they would cut the
>>>>> price down to something close to what they were offering to new
>>>> customers.
>>>>> They wouldn't budge.  Finally the day came when channels started not
>>>>> working.
>>>>> I called them up and cancelled my service.  They begged me to stay but
>>>> never
>>>>> would offer to lower the price.  After I cut them off they started
>>>> trying to
>>>>> induce me to come back.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to switch to Direct TV for a couple of years but now with
>>>> AT&T
>>>>> buying them
>>>>> out I'm not sure I want to go there either.   I've got access to fiber
>>>> optic
>>>>> cable but
>>>>> for what I had with Dish Network on Cable would cost me over $150.00 a
>>>> month
>>>>> and I still
>>>>> wouldn't be watching more than about 20 channels.  They structure their
>>>>> "packages" so that
>>>>> you can't get all of what you want in a certain category without
>> buying a
>>>>> high end package.
>>>>> It's ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Steve W.
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 6:18 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OFF Topic: 4 month Verizon WAR
>>>>>
>>>>> charlie hill wrote:
>>>>>> I've recently dropped Dish Network for the same reason.
>>>>>> My problem is, the few stations I do want to watch are only
>>>>>> available on satellite or cable and some of them aren't even
>>>>>> on our local cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> Many shows are available online as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Dish here but hardly watch it I was all set to cancel it but
>> told
>>>>> the wife it was up to her as she watches a few shows. She called to
>>>>> cancel and shocked the company, "You've been with Dish for over 20
>>>>> years"!!  We can't let you go, how about we drop the price by $30.00 a
>>>>> month...
>>>>>
>>>>> I've switched to watching shows online. Fewer commercials and you can
>>>>> pause it when you wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just started watching Downton Abbey. Great show IF you know some
>>>>> history. It follows an English aristocratic family from just prior to
>>>>> WWI as they deal with the changes around them.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOTS of other shows out there as well as entire networks
>>>>>
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