[AT] now Heart concerns

Mike meulenms at gmx.com
Sun Feb 22 21:13:56 PST 2015 

I wish you the best of luck Dave, because I know people that have drank 
and smoked their entire lives and lived into their 90's. I also know 
people that have eaten right, exercised and died of a heart attack at 
40-50 years old. You choose your poison and I'll choose mine! We all 
have to go sometime, otherwise our wives will have nothing to auction off.

Mike M

On 2/22/2015 9:22 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> I've done all the things you avoid and not done any of what you do for over 70 years now, and I intend to live forever--SO FAR IT'S WORKING!
> 	Dave
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>>   We stay
>> completely away from processed foods, and foods with preservatives. We
>> use real butter, no margarine; basically stuff our body can recognize
>> and know how to process.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 2/22/2015 8:17 AM, Steve Offiler wrote:
>>> Herb, I've had some off-list conversations with a couple of list members and it's fairly easy for me to reach back to the email archive (a nice feature of Gmail) and forward some of this to you.  With references, of course.  People with genuine medical credentials.  I'll get back to you later; I'm not near a real computer right now.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:01 AM, "Herb Metz" <metz-h.b at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dan, I have been playing that 'high cholesterol game' since mid 1990's; I
>>>> certainly agree with you in wondering WHO. We are the pawns. I have wanted
>>>> to ask Stephen Offiler for more info as to his apparent difference of
>>>> opinion on preventive heart care that he briefly mentioned a couple weeks
>>>> ago.
>>>> About the only thing every 'health authority' agrees on is the need to stay
>>>> active; I can remember a conversation from late fortys when Dad and a cousin
>>>> were discussing health care. Dad noted that doctors 'used to' tell recently
>>>> retired people to sit back and relax and enjoy life because they had worked
>>>> hard all their life and now should take it easy, but unfortunately those
>>>> people were buried a few years later, so doctors had recently quit telling
>>>> people that.  They are learning more every day; unfortunately every thing
>>>> must be approved by Big Pharma and by AMA (who has huge bunch of lobbyists).
>>>> Herb(GA)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dan Glass
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:04 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Welding Advice
>>>>
>>>> Just remember to read the list of side effects before taking a
>>>> cholesterol lowering drug, some of them are brutal.
>>>>> On 2/12/2015 1:08 PM, Wrench50 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>> The last time I was at the doctor. She said my cholesterol was a little
>>>>> high and to start taking a pill to get it lower. I said Really ? It's
>>>>> never
>>>>> been  high before. She said Well they have changed the numbers of what is
>>>>> acceptable  so now it's a little high.  I wonder Who is in charge of
>>>>> changing
>>>>> numbers?  The drug companies? Del in MI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 2/12/2015 11:24:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> meulenms at gmx.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree  Steve modern medicine is driven by big pharma, have a certain
>>>>> problem,  here's a pill for that, underlying cause be damned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>
>>>>>> On  2/12/2015 7:58 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>>> Don't listen to your doctor  for nutrition advice.  Seriously. It's not a
>>>>>> major part of their  training.  See the following link, and note that
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is not  coming from the radical fringe; it comes from the National
>>>>>> Institutes  for Health.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   SO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Mike Reggie  <mrreg_99 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>        Thanks Farmer, Charlie and Steve, I always enjoy looking at the
>>>>> list
>>>>>>> to see what's going on.
>>>>>>>     I'm not sure  what we could fry up that would be cholesterol
>>>>>>> friendly,
>>>>>>> but if I  remember correctly, didn't we have a doctor on the list some
>>>>> years
>>>>>>>   ago, a surgeon if I recall, though I don't remember what kind of
>>>>> surgeon???
>>>>>>>      Maybe if he, like me still lurks  around, he can suggest something.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> always open to suggestions,  especially  where food is involved!
>>>>>>>     Now maybe  another question could be, where else could you have a
>>>>>>> discussion  start about welding and lead to fried food?? And that all
>>>>>>> started  with antique tractors! As I said, always something interesting
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>   informative happening  here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb  2015 09:14:47 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: soffiler at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>   To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Welding  Advice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Farmer!  Told you this before...  don't worry about the damn
>>>>>>>> cholesterol
>>>>>>>> content of the the  food!  ;-) ;-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   SO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Indiana  Robinson <
>>>>>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice post Mike R. Good to hear from  you.
>>>>>>>>> Now about these welding sounds... I think we need to  find something
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> fry
>>>>>>>>> that is lower in  cholesterol than all of this bacon and eggs.
>>>>>>>>>   :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Francis  Robinson
>>>>>>>>> aka "farmer"
>>>>>>>>> Central Indiana  USA
>>>>>>>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com
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