[AT] Disk Plow or One-Way Plow

Fri Sep 5 11:42:23 PDT 2014

Dan, yes, driving by I have seen the results and they look like "pulling up 
sidewalk about a foot down".   That is probably why most subsoilers are 
single beam.  Our ground has been pasture for past forty years, need to find 
out more about before then.  Based on plow ridge deposits buildup near a 
couple trees it was tilled for several years sometime before that.
On the farm decades ago we had a small patch (< acre) of hardpan (aka 
gumbo), so I do have some understanding of Cecils situation.  Surprisingly, 
approx 200' away was several acres raised area of all sand with a mudhole 
near edge of this sand hill.   If ground conditions were just right one 
could till the gumbo; one could plow through the sand mudhole even it water 
was still standing.
Hefrb

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 1:38 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Disk Plow or One-Way Plow

Herb, I run a subsoiler every few years.  If you have never ran one it
will look like you are pulling up a sidewalk about a foot down. I find
that is saves some of the spring rains  for the summer.  Also the tilth
of the soil improves greatly.  I am guessing your soil is similar to
mine since I am just south of Atlanta.
On 9/5/2014 12:59 PM, Herb Metz wrote:
> Cecil,
> We never had need for a sub-soiler, so I have no knowledge from 
> experience.
> Would running a sub-soiler every few feet be a feasible method?  May take
> considerable time, but If memory serves, this field was only thirty acres?
> OR, if you have a solution that is feasible only if ground is wet you may
> not have any choice but to hope for rain?
> If going too fast may have been a factor in the breaking of three discs,
> could they come back and go a bit slower this next time?  One or two tries
> does not satisfy their moral commitment.
> You have many construction acquaintances, what is possibility of
> borrowing/leasing a heavy duty disc from one of them?
> Herb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 10:58 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Disk Plow or One-Way Plow
> They came out and ran a crust buster/harrow over it to no good, so they
> hooked onto my 16 ft offset disk.  Three disks broke on the disk and a
> bearing failed within 2 hours.
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
>
> On 9/5/2014 8:47 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Maybe you need to put some pressure on the drilling company that put
>> the fluid out there to help you.  They obviously knew something they
>> didn't tell you.>
>> It sounds like what you need is a LOT of rain but I know you don't get
>> much.
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 7:42 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Disk Plow or One-Way Plow
>> Weight box is only 54 inches long!!!!!!!
>> I have a contractor friend who has a big Rome plow that would do what I
>> need.   However he usually gets about $100/acre to run it. The real
>> problem is the lack of moisture.  This land was chiseled and immediately
>> after (30minutes) pulling out of the field, it started raining.  We got
>> 4 inches of rain on it.  There was no run off.  We have had nearly
>> another 12 inches of rain this summer. Some did run off.  When  you dig
>> or try to plow this ground there is nothing but dry dirt.  I dug a ditch
>> with the trackhoe 3 days ago, and it was dry as a bone 3 ft down.
>> I remember when we used to harvest wheat, we wou8ld disk or plow
>> immediately behind the combine or the ground would be dry as a bone and
>> we would have to wait until a rain to work the ground. This drilling
>> fluid and the packing by their trucks is something that I will never
>> allow again.  I would think the fluids would prevent the moisture from
>> evaporating.
>> I am at a loss as to what to do that I can afford...
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>> On 9/5/2014 4:38 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> You could try parking the front end of one of
>>> your other tractors in the weight box.  That might do the trick.
>>> Just messing with you.  Good luck.  Do you happen to know
>>> anyone with a dozer and a root rake?  Probably something you
>>> don't often see in OK.
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 11:54 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Disk Plow or One-Way Plow
>>> I put an elevator counterweight on it and It still needs more.  It cuts
>>> about 3 inches.  I broke the original bolts on the left hitch draw pin
>>> bracket.   I quit it was dark anyhow.  I spent about an hour trying to
>>> get it adjusted. Spent the entire day getting it ready to run.  Tail
>>> wheel was rusted in bearings.   Bearings in main shaft seem to be ok.
>>> Had to move draw pin on right side up to accommodate the bigger lift
>>> arms of the NH..  I figured I can adjust the lift arms to make the
>>> difference.  Makes a lot of difference on the length of the top link..
>>>       It is certainly a great way to turn fuel into dust!!!!
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/4/2014 7:30 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Cecil, how much weight do you think you'll have to
>>>> put on it to get it in the ground?
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:03 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Disk Plow or One-Way Plow
>>>> I found a mounted One-way plow yesterday.  I also found the original
>>>> brochures, I think!!  It is a P8 or F8 plow.
>>>> A couple of links to the brochures are below.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brochure-P-8-INDEPENDENT-Mounted-ONE-WAY-DISC-PLOW-/141390973797?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20eb8f0b65
>>>> http://www.ntractorclub.com/forums/manuals/messages/5264.html
>>>>
>>>> I just hope the bearings hold together for 30 acres.   With my 100 hp 
>>>> NH
>>>> tractor, I would bet that I can plow more than 2 1/2 acres per hour. 
>>>> It
>>>> will be slow, but if it does the job, that is all that matters...
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in OKla
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