[AT] LED lights

[David Bruce]

In my research it is very hard to compare subsidies from one part of the 
economy to another and with such I find it very difficult to find the 
"truth". We know that alternative energy has been quite heavily 
subsidized but in the case of more traditional utilities I'm not sure we 
know the scope for better or worse. I get my electrical through a rural 
co-op which I'm sure has been subsidized over the years. Same goes for 
my telephone co-op which also supplies cable TV and internet. Fiber to 
the home was put into place here several years ago and with our 
population density I'm sure that was subsidized.

I see potentially good and potentially bad but I dislike banning of 
incandescent bulbs. On the other hand I have been quite happy with CFL 
bulbs and I think I will like the transition to LED bulbs for those 
heavy use applications. Places where I rarely turn on the light like in 
my attic incandescent bulbs are the most cost efficient as their total 
electrical consumption is minimal due to lack of use.

My view is purely pragmatic.

David
NW NC

On 11/9/2014 10:13 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Take away the government subsidy and it can not stand on it's own.   Shut
> down the
> grid and it's no good without very expensive and failure prone battery
> banks.
> For years I caught hell from folks because I was the recipient of so called
> subsidies to
> tobacco producers.  Folks still raise a fuss about various farm subsidies.
> How is that
> any different than solar power subsidies?
>
> I'm not saying folks shouldn't take advantage of grid tied systems if it
> seems like a good
> gamble to them.  I'm just saying with the current state of the art it's a
> scam that is being
> paid for by other tax payers.  In this state t
>
> NO alternative power system (solar, wind, tide water, etc. ) can work
> without a nuke or carbon
> fired generator idling in the background to take the demand load when the
> alternative system
> doesn't work (no sun, wind not blowing, etc.)
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:04 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
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> Charlie,
>
> The system is grid tied and will pay for itself in 7 years, and yes it is
> highly Government subsidized. The solar panels have an expected life of 35
> years. My point was there are systems that are not using batteries.  It
> delivers several KW to the home or grid if enough power is being generated.
> The owner will never pay one cent for electric power.  The system monitors
> how much power is supplied to the grid and how much power his home uses.
> Even if his system doesn't generate as much power as he uses, they pay so
> much more for what he does produce, it offsets the difference.  With all the
> Government subsidies he will hopefully come out ahead for a very expensive
> investment.  Power companies are looking for ways to not have to increase
> their investment in more power generation.
>
> Gary
> Renton, WA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 9:20 am
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
>
> Gary, that is impossible unless they are just running a dedicated light or
> device in daylight hours
> or "grid tied" where they are putting power into and taking it out of the
> grid.
> In order for it to be completely off grid and thus self supporting it HAS to
> have some sort of storage
> battery for the current.   Yes I know there are panels that will operate in
> low light but they are also
> very limited on output in those conditions.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:46 AM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
> Lot of solar systems now don not use storage batteries.
>
> Gary
> Renton, WA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 7:20 am
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
>
> Take away the government subsidies on CFL's and solar and see what happens.
> I'm all in favor of solar but the current equipment on the market will not
> pay for
> it's self in energy savings before the equipment is worn out (include the
> storage
> batteries in that equation)
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 11:11 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; dejoodster at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
> Keeping the brooder warm reason for incandescent bulbs only applies to
> probably 0.02% of the population these days, if that.  Just think, if we
> keep cutting our electric use plus with solar getting cheaper, a lot of
> homes and businesses could become pretty energy independent. Just like the
> old days before power lines were run everywhere.
>
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