[AT] LED lights

[charlie hill]

Take away the government subsidy and it can not stand on it's own.   Shut 
down the
grid and it's no good without very expensive and failure prone battery 
banks.
For years I caught hell from folks because I was the recipient of so called 
subsidies to
tobacco producers.  Folks still raise a fuss about various farm subsidies. 
How is that
any different than solar power subsidies?

I'm not saying folks shouldn't take advantage of grid tied systems if it 
seems like a good
gamble to them.  I'm just saying with the current state of the art it's a 
scam that is being
paid for by other tax payers.  In this state t

NO alternative power system (solar, wind, tide water, etc. ) can work 
without a nuke or carbon
fired generator idling in the background to take the demand load when the 
alternative system
doesn't work (no sun, wind not blowing, etc.)

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: k7jdj at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:04 PM
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Charlie,

The system is grid tied and will pay for itself in 7 years, and yes it is 
highly Government subsidized. The solar panels have an expected life of 35 
years. My point was there are systems that are not using batteries.  It 
delivers several KW to the home or grid if enough power is being generated. 
The owner will never pay one cent for electric power.  The system monitors 
how much power is supplied to the grid and how much power his home uses. 
Even if his system doesn't generate as much power as he uses, they pay so 
much more for what he does produce, it offsets the difference.  With all the 
Government subsidies he will hopefully come out ahead for a very expensive 
investment.  Power companies are looking for ways to not have to increase 
their investment in more power generation.

Gary
Renton, WA







-----Original Message-----
From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 9:20 am
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Gary, that is impossible unless they are just running a dedicated light or
device in daylight hours
or "grid tied" where they are putting power into and taking it out of the
grid.
In order for it to be completely off grid and thus self supporting it HAS to
have some sort of storage
battery for the current.   Yes I know there are panels that will operate in
low light but they are also
very limited on output in those conditions.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: k7jdj at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:46 AM
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Lot of solar systems now don not use storage batteries.

Gary
Renton, WA







-----Original Message-----
From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights


Take away the government subsidies on CFL's and solar and see what happens.
I'm all in favor of solar but the current equipment on the market will not
pay for
it's self in energy savings before the equipment is worn out (include the
storage
batteries in that equation)

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jason
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 11:11 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; dejoodster at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights

Keeping the brooder warm reason for incandescent bulbs only applies to
probably 0.02% of the population these days, if that.  Just think, if we
keep cutting our electric use plus with solar getting cheaper, a lot of
homes and businesses could become pretty energy independent. Just like the
old days before power lines were run everywhere.


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