[AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
David Rotigel
rotigel at me.com
Sun Aug 10 17:33:55 PDT 2014
Do you guys (i.e. you and Mike) think that this has possibly all been Bush's fault?
Dave
PS, If so, I know someone who agrees with you!
On Aug 10, 2014, at 7:45 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
> Just to 'add' to the mystery... This is the second unit they shipped me. The
> first got destroyed in transit. I have always believed in buying locally
> whenever possible. After this fiasco, I'll buy something different locally
> rather than getting exactly what I want on-line.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:11 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>
> Dave, you just ruined our fun. We were going to start some conspiracy
> theories on why Briggs and Stratton has is out for Dicks new mower.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 8/10/2014 4:45 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> While I have ENJOYED all the "ideas" everyone has offered (if it were
>> mine) I would put new oil and filter on the unit and mow the grass. It's
>> under guarantee, is it not?
>> Dave
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 4:21 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not being an expert on oil, I am guessing it feels about the same. It was
>>> not sludge, just jet black oil. I was going to hold onto it in case
>>> anyone
>>> wanted to see/test it. Unfortunately, it got dumped in with other oil
>>> and
>>> was carted off to a friend's place that uses it for heating. I'm sure
>>> there
>>> is still plenty in the engine. So right now it sits with little to no
>>> oil
>>> in it. The key is removed :)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:44 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>
>>> Dick, was the oil really thin (diluted) or was it normal other than the
>>> color?
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On 8/10/2014 2:54 PM, DDSS wrote:
>>>> All I have done so far is drain the oil and replace the oil filter.
>>>> When
>>>> I
>>>> saw how black the oil was, I stopped and am waiting for some direction
>>>> from
>>>> B&S.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ken Knierim
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:18 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>
>>>> Molybdenum disulfide has or can have a very black appearance; it used to
>>>> be
>>>> (maybe still is) recommended for use on new (non-roller) camshafts.
>>>> Perhaps the break-in oil for this engine had some in it? I agree with
>>>> Steve
>>>> O... very hard to tell by the color. There may be extenuating
>>>> circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> B&S is still on the hook for warranty, right? Follow the book...
>>>>
>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>> Ken in AZ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks guys. Just as soon as I hear back from Briggs, I'll post it
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>
>>>>> I must admit I've never had this problem with the gasoline engines I
>>>>> have
>>>>> rebuilt or bought. My cub cadet kohler engine has 285 hours and
>>>>> still
>>>>> has
>>>>> clean oil when I change it. But in your case there could have been an
>>>>> additive or something added at the factory discoloring the oil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Steve, I would change the oil and not worry about it. If I
>>>>> continue
>>>>> to
>>>>> see very dark oil without at least some improvement, I would probably
>>>>> call
>>>>> the factory. Not sure they would say anything helpful, but like you
>>>>> this
>>>>> is so out of my normal experience I would want to bounce it off
>>>>> someone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now diesel - that's a different matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06, Steve Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The blackest oil I have ever seen came from the hydro units on my
>>>>>> Gravely
>>>>>> ZT at the scheduled 125 hr service. It was just as black as used oil
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of a diesel. This surprised the heck out of me - hydro units; there's
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> combustion blow-by to make it dirty!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's my point? You cannot tell anything definitive from oil color.
>>>>>> Period. I am as certain as I can be from this distance that
>>>>>> everything
>>>>> is
>>>>>> perfectly fine with the Briggs. The first sign of something bad in
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> engine is either bad noise or smoke, not oil color.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "DDSS" <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: DDSS
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:27 PM
>>>>>>> To: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Husqvarna r220t mower with an Endurance (Intek) 20 horse. Husqvarna
>>>>>>> re-badges the Intek engine as "Endurance". Checked with Briggs and
>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> no difference between this and an Intek. The Briggs manual I
>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> it is for Intek.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was shipped to me in sealed factory wooden crates. The oil was in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> engine when I received it. It now has 8.1 hours. Drained the oil and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> black. I followed the steps on the prep sheet. Next oil change is
>>>>>>> at
>>>>> 25
>>>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:08 PM
>>>>>>> To: DDSS
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Briggs engine on what? A mower? Did it come from a big box
>>>>>>> store?
>>>>>>> Oil
>>>>>>> is not supplied with a crated mower, and whoever serviced it prior to
>>>>>>> delivery may have pulled whatever was handy off the shelf. Having
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> warranty service for Briggs through a big box store, I treat their
>>>>>>> make-ready service with suspicion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I betcha they didn't retorque the drive wheels or check the air
>>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the tires, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what i mean by there being more to the story. BUT, having a
>>>>>>> different oil in it for eight hours is not going to make any
>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>> When's the next oil change called for? 50 hours? Some manufacturers
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> hour-meter automatically start blinking when it hits that reading,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> automatically stop blinking after a couple of running hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "More to the story"? The V-twin engine has an oil filter, the
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>> for straight 30 weight, the oil that I drained from there is black.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure what else I can add.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 4:33 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you waid it has an oil filter? On modern engines, that typically
>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>> you can use multi-viscosity oil rather than single weight because
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> pressurized system. I suspect there is more to this story.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Really? I hope that's what it is. I have yet to put new oil in,
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>> for straight 30-weight, nothing special. If it had synthetic, am I
>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>> to use just synthetic?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't synthetic? Some of that starts out that
>>>>>>>> color.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I just did the first oil change on a new Briggs 20hp engine. The
>>>>>>>>> oil
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> blacker than any oil I have ever seen. I checked the air filter and
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> than some dust, it looked fine. Although they don’t call for an oil
>>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>>> change, I replaced it as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever seen this before?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>>
>>
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