[AT] been collecting a long time

Sat Aug 30 10:09:39 PDT 2014

Hi John,
 We have a JD a here that has a behlin overdrive on it. If you take it
out a few minutes after cold starting, and engage the overdrive, it
will go! It goes so fast the front end will bounce up and down two or
three inches!
 The 88 Oliver my grandpa has really does have a high road gear in it.
 At full throttle, it feels like you're going 25 mph! The other family
members say that it only goes 15, but grandpa and I both agree its 25.
He said the Hart Parr 70 he has will go even faster, but I've never
driven that one.
 He also said that some 88's came with an even higher road gear than that one.
 Anybody know the facts on roadgear speeds?
 Take Care,
 Tyler Juranek

On 8/30/14, jtchall at nc.rr.com <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Tyler, I realized how long it has been since I had one of our tractors in
> high gear just this week. I was tedding hay and had to move to the field out
>
> by the road. I took off down the driveway in 3rd high range on dad's IH 454.
>
> I could feel the front end get out of control a bit. And to think I had
> another gear to go--which I didn't. The weird part was this tractor handled
>
> all of our spraying and most of the mowing 30 years ago so it got a lot of
> highway miles. As a teenager I drove it many miles on the road, if I had to
>
> do it today I don't think I have the guts to drive in 4th high. It runs
> around 21-23mph. It would outrun our Farmall M, either of the JD 4020's or
> the 4430.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler Juranek
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 11:31 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] been collecting a long time
>
> John,
> Everyone on here knows me as a JD guy, but between Oliver and JD, Oliver
> rules.
> They run so quiet, and ride so smooth, with a pretty high road gear,
> at least for the time.
> Take Care,
> Tyler Juranek
>
> On 8/29/14, jtchall at nc.rr.com <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> knowing Grant, it may be a day or two before he checks back in due to
>> work
>> schedules. I THINK he is running some of the offset series single row IH
>> tractors and I believe some NF Olivers.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Herb Metz
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 7:51 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] been collecting a long time
>>
>> Grant,
>> "1940's - 1960's for detail cultivation", NFE or WFFE?
>> Herb
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Grant Brians
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:44 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] been collecting a long time
>>
>> I too cultivated in the 1970's with a horse drawn cultivator some. The
>> difference is that I had two Belgian horses in front of me pulling it.
>> That
>> confirmed for me that vegetables and horse drawn cultivators are not a
>> mix
>> made in heaven when I would like to make a living growing them. I do miss
>> that team though, they were the nicest animals I can imagine. 1940's -
>> 1960s
>> tractors with mounted cultivators are what we still use for the detail
>> cultivation....
>>            Grant Brians - Hollister,California vegetable, nuts and fruit
>> farmer and vegetable seed grower and seller
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:56 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] been collecting a long time
>>
>>
>> True John,  I guess the larger mistake I made that day was having him
>> push up a grape vine that had probably been there for well over 100
>> years.
>> It was huge and grew lots of grapes but no one was taking care of it
>> and I figured it was in the way.  later on I regretted it and hoped there
>> was enough of the root left that it would come back but it never did.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:02 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] been collecting a long time
>>
>> Charlie, you and everyone else scrapped old iron way back when. Glad you
>> did, or it would be so common none of us would get the thrill of hunting
>> it
>> down. The farm beside us used to be a massive dairy, over 20 guys on
>> payroll
>> year round. Back in the 80's I talked to an old guy that retired form
>> there
>> trying to see if he remembered any old equipment sitting in fencerows or
>> abandoned sheds. The farm had a D4 Cat dozer. He said he personally buried
>>
>> 2
>> hit and miss engines with it in the farm dump. I've got a 1914 IH 4hp
>> throttle and governor engine that was rescued from a dozer pile in the
>> 70's.
>> We've got a very early wooden husker shredder made by IH just after their
>> formation--it was originally a Deering machine. My guess is it is 1910 or
>> earlier---design dates to the 1880's or 90's under the Rosenthal patents.
>> Anyway, my grandmother told my dad and uncle that it was taking up shed
>> space so they needed to pull it out from the shed and stick a match to it
>>
>> to
>> get rid of it. I'm VERY glad those boys didn't listen. Considering she
>> was
>> the boss and they worked for her (both were grown men) it was a pretty
>> bold
>> move on there part.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill
>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:57 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] been collecting a long time
>>
>> John,   I regret now that in the late 70's while having a guy with a
>> dozer
>> clean up
>> a piece of land that had grown up in bushes I had him dig a hole, crush
>> and
>> bury
>> one of those cultivators.  I bet it was identical or nearly so to the one
>> you have.
>> He pushed that and some other horse drawn stuff in the hole, drove the
>> dozer
>> over it
>> and covered it up.  At the time it was just junk and a $.01 per pound not
>> even worth
>> the effort to take it to the salvage yard.  Back then everyone was buying
>> new, bigger and
>> better and we were just happy not to have to use such "junk" anymore.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 8:17 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: [AT] been collecting a long time
>>
>> It occurred to me this week just how long we've been collecting old iron,
>>
>> 30
>> years give or take a year. Started when I was in 7th or 8th grade. When
>> we
>> started it was small items like 2 man chainsaws, Briggs engines from the
>> 40's
>> and 50's, and horse drawn equipment---at the time these items were really
>> cheap or free. We quickly progressed to tractors and belt powered
>> machinery.
>>
>> One of the earliest items we rescued from a fencerow was a horse drawn
>> riding cultivator. It was all there, just frozen with rust and the wheels
>> were bent where someone had nudged it sideways with a scrape blade to
>> push
>> it out of the way. The day we brought it home was about 30 degrees. I
>> drove
>> one of the 4020's with a boom pole to go get it (and a stalk cutter)
>> while
>> dad drove one of the grain trucks. If you're trying to picture the boom
>> pole
>> it is basically the same thing as the little ones you can buy for utility
>> tractors except this one is heavy enough to lift the front end of the the
>> 10,000lb tractor it is hooked to off the ground. We've also got a
>> hydraulic
>> center link for it. Anyway we got it home, heated, hammered, and oiled
>> until
>> it was operational. We made a tongue for it that required a little
>> ingenuity
>> and a broken shank off of a chisel plow. We would use it on occasion to
>> plow
>> the garden. We even raised a few rows of snap beans one year using it and
>>
>> a
>> 10-20 McCormick on steel. I still haven't figured out how dad laid the
>> rows
>> off straight given the slop in the steering on that tractor. We continued
>> using it for close to 10 years and then retired it again after we quit
>> raising so much garden. It was towed to the back of the farm and backed
>> up
>> under some trees where it rested for the next 20 years.
>>
>> This past week I decided it would be handy to have up here at my house.
>> The
>> wildlife pressure is so great here everyone has to fence in their garden
>> with 6-8 ft fencing. I'm not going to do that so I'll just plant what the
>> critters won't eat, squash, zucchini, and sweet corn (I forgot, the
>> squirrels cleaned me out on that as well). I borrowed my cousins tractor
>> with cultivators and laid off a couple rows for some late squash. It's
>> not
>> worth the effort for us to keep cultivators on a tractor any more. I
>> remembered how handy this horse drawn cultivator was so it was time to
>> rescue it again. Same tractor, same boom pole, (same guy driving the
>> tractor) 30 years later, we retrieved it from the weeds and briars again.
>> Back to the same shop. This time it only took a couple evenings to get it
>> running. Had to replace the wooden tongue, and free up one major part
>> with
>> the torch (same as 30 years ago) and we were back in business. Plowed my
>> garden Fri. night and it did an outstanding job. I'll put some fertilizer
>> around it this week and try to plow it one more time. Should have squash
>> and
>> zucchini until frost.
>>
>> It just occurred to me the incentive to get this cultivator operational
>> 30
>> years ago. Back then both of our Super A's spent most of the spring and
>> summer at the other farm 2 miles away. The only time they came home was
>> for
>> plowing gardening. If you wanted to plow garden you had to go get one.
>> And
>> once tobacco had been laid by, you'd have to put the cultivators on once
>> you
>> got here, plow the garden, take the cultivators off, and get the tractor
>> back to the other farm, generally all in the same evening.
>>
>> Maybe I can find a shed to keep it under for the next 30 years. Until
>> next
>> week, its sitting in the corner of my yard, backed up under a tree. Don't
>> worry, my better half won't let it sit there long.
>>
>> John Hall
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