[AT] In the market for a rural place

David Steinich dsteinich at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 16:29:53 PDT 2013


Mike,
When we build our new house we didn't want all those issues with the new
fixtures, so we put in an Iron Curtain. It has worked wonders so far. Not
sure if this is the exact model, but it is close:
http://www.hellenbrand.com/twin-tank-iron-water-filtration/twin-tank-high-flowpromate-6-ic2-0/
I want to say it cost about $2000, but is well worth it.
Dave S


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:

> Since Cecil brought up the subject of wells, I have a question. We have
> high iron in our water, and with that iron eating bacteria which produce
> that nasty smell. Other than that the water tastes fine, with the help
> of our softener. About once a year I shock the well and that clears up
> the problem for another year. It is kind of a PIA though because we have
> livestock and have to store up extra water (un-chlorinated) for them.
> Has anyone in a similar situation had success just putting a light dose
> of chlorine down the well head  say on a monthly basis, just to keep
> things cleaned up and to keep me from having to shock the well then do
> the extended flush.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 10/31/2013 12:11 AM, Cecil R Bearden wrote:
> > That Blue line stream thing came along in the last few days I was
> > there.  I have not really tried to learn what it is all about, because I
> > want plausible deniability sonce I think I have one on my place, but I
> > am not going to look real hard.....
> >
> > Cecil
> >
> >
> > On 10/30/2013 8:42 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> >> Well that pretty well explains it Cecil.  Yes I knew you had experience
> in
> >> that area and  figured you had a good explanation of it.   I'm glad we
> >> don't have those issues here.  However the government is putting more
> >> and more controls on water here even though we have plenty.  We have
> >> two irrigation ponds on our land that my dad had dug in 1960.  Our land,
> >> our ponds, spring fed, no streams involved but now they have them
> designated
> >> on the maps with a blue line around them meaning a "blue line stream"
> >> designation.
> >> Technically that means we can't even cut the trees and bushes that grow
> up
> >> around the ponds, let alone drain and fill them if we wanted to.
>  Nothing
> >> has been irrigated on our place since about 1966.  At this point the
> things
> >> are nothing
> >> but an "attractive nuisance" in legalese.  Meaning something a
> trespasser
> >> can fall into and sue us for.  I wish I could give them to you.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >> I worked for the Ok water REsources Board for 30 years and retired there
> >> in charge of the safety of dams program for the state.  I started out in
> >> the water rights division.  I have stream and ground water rights on
> >> this place also.   However, the pond in question is small enough to not
> >> be under the jurisdiction of the OWRB and also is within the domestic
> >> use allowance of the upstream landowner.  This state says that
> >> recreational use ie  aesthetics, \fishing, swimming. is a
> >> non-consumptive use.  In this area of OK we have an annual lake
> >> evaporation of 4 ft or more.  If there are 10 lakes upstream, each one
> >> holding 3 acres of water, that is 30 surface acres x 4 ft or 120 ac ft
> >> of water that is evaporated.  In this area we have only 4 inches of
> >> annual runoff.  so just to keep those ponds full, it takes 480 acres of
> >> watershed.  We have several ponds like this that do not have near enough
> >> watershed area to support them without spring flow.  The downstream guy
> >> is just screwed, because by the time the law gets the upstream guy his
> >> allocated domestic use, there is nothing left....
> >>
> >> Far better to be upstream with a shovel than downstream with a water
> >> right.!!
> >>
> >> Cecil in OKla
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/30/2013 4:16 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> >>> Cecil,  I always thought there were laws against diverting water onto
> or
> >>> away from another
> >>> land owner?   It's not a problem where I live.  If anything we have to
> >>> much
> >>> water but
> >>> it seems there should be some legal remedy for you from the guy that
> >>> diverted the water.
> >>>
> >>> Charlie
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Cecil R Bearden
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:06 PM
> >>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] In the market for a rural place
> >>>
> >>> My advice to anyone looking at a place to move/retire to is find one
> you
> >>> can grow a garden on.   We live NW of Oklahoma City on 80 acres that
> >>> were bought by my folks as an investment without really investigating
> >>> the details.   When my wife and I moved out here, we later built a
> house
> >>> near the old homestead site, but growing a garden for food is next to
> >>> impossible.  Water cannot be found on this whole place.  There is some
> >>> surface water that comes from springs on neighboring land. The best
> >>> source was diverted by a rich newcomer so he could have a pond to look
> >>> at.  Livestock water is now from a rural water system. Our water bill
> is
> >>> never less than $75/month.  The red clay n this area is either hard as
> a
> >>> rock or slicker than #2 gun grease.  When dry the ground will crack
> open
> >>> as much as 2 inches and nearly 2 ft deep.  When the cracks close up,
> the
> >>> ground quits absorbing water.  You can move 1/4 to 1/2 mile in any
> >>> direction and the land is totally different.   Soil surveys do not
> >>> explain this either.  This land is one of the highest points in the
> >>> county and it appears  that it was just under the beach when the
> Permian
> >>> sea was at full level.  When the sea receded the first time, the sand
> >>> moved down slope and left this #@$% red clay.  It is only good for
> >>> pasture ground and it takes many years to get the native grasses to
> >>> cover completely.  What good soil was left on this piece of land was
> >>> washed away with the farming practices of the dirty 30's.   We had a
> >>> garden over the lateral field of our house trailer we lived in when we
> >>> first moved here.  I brought in a semi load of river sand, and a truck
> >>> load of cow manure from a feedlot.  Then 3 pickup loads of grass
> >>> clippings from the city.  I roto tilled this several times before
> >>> planting.   Water was supplied by pumping from a water hole in the
> creek
> >>> and hauled by a tank trailer to water the garden.   Now, due to
> >>> development, upstream there is no water in the creek nor in the spring.
> >>> Well water is non-existent, we have 3 dry wells, and we only water with
> >>> rural water.   Selling out would involve a lot of work and probably
> >>> might not result in much improvement except a place to grow a garden,
> we
> >>> have been here over 30 years.  Now that we have time to move and could
> >>> afford it, we just don't have the energy.
> >>>
> >>> As I stated at the first.  Find a place you can grow your own food on,
> >>> it will be necessary in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Cecil in OKla
> >>>
> >>> On 10/30/2013 1:00 PM, John Slavin wrote:
> >>>> My son-in-law and I were having a conversation about this topic a
> couple
> >>>> weeks ago.  He's career navy and will be retiring in a few years and
> was
> >>>> just thinking outloud about some farmland.  He has some rather
> specific
> >>>> needs and wants a mix of rolling, treed and tillable farmland.  It is
> not
> >>>> as easy as a city person might think to find land with all the
> attributes
> >>>> you want within a certain proximity of the place you want to live, at
> the
> >>>> price you want to pay.  It's the old, you can have two out three deal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus, I have been observing that some auction houses in particular,
> and
> >>>> to
> >>>> a lesser extent realtors, are splitting out the tillable farmland from
> >>>> the
> >>>> rolling ground, so instead of 40/80 acre tracts, or combinations
> thereof,
> >>>> you end up with gerrymandered metes and bounds tracts of prime
> farmland
> >>>> or
> >>>> rough land sold separately from each other.  Makes sense, given how
> >>>> expensive land has gotten, but makes it more difficult to buy a farm
> with
> >>>> a combination of land use types. Just the other day I saw a farm that
> had
> >>>> been together for generations split up.  The bottom ground and flat
> >>>> upland
> >>>> was sold to out-of-state investors.  The hill and rolling upland (that
> >>>> the
> >>>> investors might perceive as junk) was sold to a completely different
> kind
> >>>> of buyer.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> John C. Slavin
> >>>> jslavin at marktwain.net
> >>>>
> >>>> Everything around you that you call life was made up by people who
> are no
> >>>> smarter than you.  Steve Jobs.
> >>>>> Message: 11
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:24:10 -0400
> >>>>> From: "Dean Vinson" <dean at vinsonfarm.net>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] In the market for a rural place
> >>>>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> >>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>>>> Message-ID: <002a01ced55a$2d2c3d50$8784b7f0$@net>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks very much, gentlemen.  I've had some electronic searches set
> up
> >>>>> via a
> >>>>> realtor for a couple of years now, just to get familiar with what's
> out
> >>>>> there, and got pretty serious about it last spring.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In August we let an auction get away from us that I still have some
> >>>>> regrets
> >>>>> over...the house and barn weren't much but if there's a nicer parcel
> of
> >>>>> rolling USDA-prime farmland, pasture, and hardwood woods in southwest
> >>>>> Ohio,
> >>>>> I don't know where it would be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gene, I'd be honored to be your close neighbor and would love to get
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> plowing time in with the Super M.  As it turns out I might at least
> come
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> good ways in your direction--there's a place west of Urbana that we
> just
> >>>>> decided to go take a third look at.  First look resulted in "Wow,
> this
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> be it."  Second look resulted in "But there are some practical issues
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> we're not entirely sure we're up for, so probably best to keep
> looking."
> >>>>> But that decision isn't setting too well...so time to go back and
> make
> >>>>> sure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dean Vinson
> >>>>> Dayton, Ohio
> >>>>> www.vinsonfarm.net
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