[AT] In the market for a rural place
Mike
meulenms at gmx.com
Fri Nov 1 08:26:35 PDT 2013
That looks like a nice system Dave, and without the chemicals. I may
have to look into something like that. Thanks Mike M
On 10/31/2013 7:29 PM, David Steinich wrote:
> Mike,
> When we build our new house we didn't want all those issues with the new
> fixtures, so we put in an Iron Curtain. It has worked wonders so far. Not
> sure if this is the exact model, but it is close:
> http://www.hellenbrand.com/twin-tank-iron-water-filtration/twin-tank-high-flowpromate-6-ic2-0/
> I want to say it cost about $2000, but is well worth it.
> Dave S
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Since Cecil brought up the subject of wells, I have a question. We have
>> high iron in our water, and with that iron eating bacteria which produce
>> that nasty smell. Other than that the water tastes fine, with the help
>> of our softener. About once a year I shock the well and that clears up
>> the problem for another year. It is kind of a PIA though because we have
>> livestock and have to store up extra water (un-chlorinated) for them.
>> Has anyone in a similar situation had success just putting a light dose
>> of chlorine down the well head say on a monthly basis, just to keep
>> things cleaned up and to keep me from having to shock the well then do
>> the extended flush.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 10/31/2013 12:11 AM, Cecil R Bearden wrote:
>>> That Blue line stream thing came along in the last few days I was
>>> there. I have not really tried to learn what it is all about, because I
>>> want plausible deniability sonce I think I have one on my place, but I
>>> am not going to look real hard.....
>>>
>>> Cecil
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/30/2013 8:42 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Well that pretty well explains it Cecil. Yes I knew you had experience
>> in
>>>> that area and figured you had a good explanation of it. I'm glad we
>>>> don't have those issues here. However the government is putting more
>>>> and more controls on water here even though we have plenty. We have
>>>> two irrigation ponds on our land that my dad had dug in 1960. Our land,
>>>> our ponds, spring fed, no streams involved but now they have them
>> designated
>>>> on the maps with a blue line around them meaning a "blue line stream"
>>>> designation.
>>>> Technically that means we can't even cut the trees and bushes that grow
>> up
>>>> around the ponds, let alone drain and fill them if we wanted to.
>> Nothing
>>>> has been irrigated on our place since about 1966. At this point the
>> things
>>>> are nothing
>>>> but an "attractive nuisance" in legalese. Meaning something a
>> trespasser
>>>> can fall into and sue us for. I wish I could give them to you.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I worked for the Ok water REsources Board for 30 years and retired there
>>>> in charge of the safety of dams program for the state. I started out in
>>>> the water rights division. I have stream and ground water rights on
>>>> this place also. However, the pond in question is small enough to not
>>>> be under the jurisdiction of the OWRB and also is within the domestic
>>>> use allowance of the upstream landowner. This state says that
>>>> recreational use ie aesthetics, \fishing, swimming. is a
>>>> non-consumptive use. In this area of OK we have an annual lake
>>>> evaporation of 4 ft or more. If there are 10 lakes upstream, each one
>>>> holding 3 acres of water, that is 30 surface acres x 4 ft or 120 ac ft
>>>> of water that is evaporated. In this area we have only 4 inches of
>>>> annual runoff. so just to keep those ponds full, it takes 480 acres of
>>>> watershed. We have several ponds like this that do not have near enough
>>>> watershed area to support them without spring flow. The downstream guy
>>>> is just screwed, because by the time the law gets the upstream guy his
>>>> allocated domestic use, there is nothing left....
>>>>
>>>> Far better to be upstream with a shovel than downstream with a water
>>>> right.!!
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/2013 4:16 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>> Cecil, I always thought there were laws against diverting water onto
>> or
>>>>> away from another
>>>>> land owner? It's not a problem where I live. If anything we have to
>>>>> much
>>>>> water but
>>>>> it seems there should be some legal remedy for you from the guy that
>>>>> diverted the water.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:06 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] In the market for a rural place
>>>>>
>>>>> My advice to anyone looking at a place to move/retire to is find one
>> you
>>>>> can grow a garden on. We live NW of Oklahoma City on 80 acres that
>>>>> were bought by my folks as an investment without really investigating
>>>>> the details. When my wife and I moved out here, we later built a
>> house
>>>>> near the old homestead site, but growing a garden for food is next to
>>>>> impossible. Water cannot be found on this whole place. There is some
>>>>> surface water that comes from springs on neighboring land. The best
>>>>> source was diverted by a rich newcomer so he could have a pond to look
>>>>> at. Livestock water is now from a rural water system. Our water bill
>> is
>>>>> never less than $75/month. The red clay n this area is either hard as
>> a
>>>>> rock or slicker than #2 gun grease. When dry the ground will crack
>> open
>>>>> as much as 2 inches and nearly 2 ft deep. When the cracks close up,
>> the
>>>>> ground quits absorbing water. You can move 1/4 to 1/2 mile in any
>>>>> direction and the land is totally different. Soil surveys do not
>>>>> explain this either. This land is one of the highest points in the
>>>>> county and it appears that it was just under the beach when the
>> Permian
>>>>> sea was at full level. When the sea receded the first time, the sand
>>>>> moved down slope and left this #@$% red clay. It is only good for
>>>>> pasture ground and it takes many years to get the native grasses to
>>>>> cover completely. What good soil was left on this piece of land was
>>>>> washed away with the farming practices of the dirty 30's. We had a
>>>>> garden over the lateral field of our house trailer we lived in when we
>>>>> first moved here. I brought in a semi load of river sand, and a truck
>>>>> load of cow manure from a feedlot. Then 3 pickup loads of grass
>>>>> clippings from the city. I roto tilled this several times before
>>>>> planting. Water was supplied by pumping from a water hole in the
>> creek
>>>>> and hauled by a tank trailer to water the garden. Now, due to
>>>>> development, upstream there is no water in the creek nor in the spring.
>>>>> Well water is non-existent, we have 3 dry wells, and we only water with
>>>>> rural water. Selling out would involve a lot of work and probably
>>>>> might not result in much improvement except a place to grow a garden,
>> we
>>>>> have been here over 30 years. Now that we have time to move and could
>>>>> afford it, we just don't have the energy.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I stated at the first. Find a place you can grow your own food on,
>>>>> it will be necessary in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/30/2013 1:00 PM, John Slavin wrote:
>>>>>> My son-in-law and I were having a conversation about this topic a
>> couple
>>>>>> weeks ago. He's career navy and will be retiring in a few years and
>> was
>>>>>> just thinking outloud about some farmland. He has some rather
>> specific
>>>>>> needs and wants a mix of rolling, treed and tillable farmland. It is
>> not
>>>>>> as easy as a city person might think to find land with all the
>> attributes
>>>>>> you want within a certain proximity of the place you want to live, at
>> the
>>>>>> price you want to pay. It's the old, you can have two out three deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, I have been observing that some auction houses in particular,
>> and
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a lesser extent realtors, are splitting out the tillable farmland from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rolling ground, so instead of 40/80 acre tracts, or combinations
>> thereof,
>>>>>> you end up with gerrymandered metes and bounds tracts of prime
>> farmland
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> rough land sold separately from each other. Makes sense, given how
>>>>>> expensive land has gotten, but makes it more difficult to buy a farm
>> with
>>>>>> a combination of land use types. Just the other day I saw a farm that
>> had
>>>>>> been together for generations split up. The bottom ground and flat
>>>>>> upland
>>>>>> was sold to out-of-state investors. The hill and rolling upland (that
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> investors might perceive as junk) was sold to a completely different
>> kind
>>>>>> of buyer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John C. Slavin
>>>>>> jslavin at marktwain.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything around you that you call life was made up by people who
>> are no
>>>>>> smarter than you. Steve Jobs.
>>>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:24:10 -0400
>>>>>>> From: "Dean Vinson" <dean at vinsonfarm.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] In the market for a rural place
>>>>>>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
>>>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <002a01ced55a$2d2c3d50$8784b7f0$@net>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much, gentlemen. I've had some electronic searches set
>> up
>>>>>>> via a
>>>>>>> realtor for a couple of years now, just to get familiar with what's
>> out
>>>>>>> there, and got pretty serious about it last spring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In August we let an auction get away from us that I still have some
>>>>>>> regrets
>>>>>>> over...the house and barn weren't much but if there's a nicer parcel
>> of
>>>>>>> rolling USDA-prime farmland, pasture, and hardwood woods in southwest
>>>>>>> Ohio,
>>>>>>> I don't know where it would be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene, I'd be honored to be your close neighbor and would love to get
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> plowing time in with the Super M. As it turns out I might at least
>> come
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> good ways in your direction--there's a place west of Urbana that we
>> just
>>>>>>> decided to go take a third look at. First look resulted in "Wow,
>> this
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> be it." Second look resulted in "But there are some practical issues
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> we're not entirely sure we're up for, so probably best to keep
>> looking."
>>>>>>> But that decision isn't setting too well...so time to go back and
>> make
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dean Vinson
>>>>>>> Dayton, Ohio
>>>>>>> www.vinsonfarm.net
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