[AT] diesel

[Spencer Yost]

Sorry for the misspelling. Dang buttons are too close together.  First sentence was cut short too.

Anyways, hope my actual hands-on experience illuminates and assists the discussion.

Spencer

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On May 8, 2013, at 11:11, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:

> I really debated sending rhis because i hate politics, ideaology and belif austems that require dogma and selfThose that know me understand I love to experiment.   One of those was a big experiment I performed making biodiesel.  I made in excess of 2000 gallons over 3 years.  I ran it in 1986 Isuzu Trooper diesel.   So here are my conclusions and observations;
> 
> Biodiesel did result in a 5% drop in mileage (25.8Mpg to 24.6MPG)
> Biodiesel cost me between 1.25 and 2.50 per gallon to make depending in the price of methanol(a commodity whose price swings in ways I could never predict).  
> Wake forest University BD program analyzed my first four batches. All met ASTM standards which proves it can't be too hard to make if I can do it.
> My engine would run quieter
> My exhaust smelled better.
> No idea on lubricating qualities but I had no problems on the 60K-75k I ran B100-b50.  Have to defer to chemists in that one.
> Did clean the fuel tank.  Had to replace filters several times at first.
> Did ruin the fuel pump diaphragm on my 1952 Oliver 70 diesel.  New diaphragm could handle it though.
> Does gell at 25-28 degrees.  Higher temps(~33) if you used peanut oil. Had to run B50 in the winter.
> Sold the biodiesel plant i designed and built to a chemist who was experimenting and needed to go a little bigger.  His initial experience echoed mine.
> 
> In short, I loved it but is not a silver bullet.   But there is definitely a place at the table for biodiesel.
> 
> Pa. The extra cost is BS because the commercial producers get a 1 dollar per gallon subsidy. They cannot be spending more than $2/gallon to make.  They have to be "green" gouging based on my experience .
> 
> Spencer
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 8, 2013, at 0:13, "Rob Wilson" <ro.wilson at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> Biodiesel costs the same here and I get about the same mileage out of my 01
>> Cummins. I do see an improvement in the way it runs on the bio over standard
>> diesel. Smoother and quieter with a little different exhaust smell.  
>> Rob
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:19 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] diesel
>> 
>> Praise the Lord! Not only does bioDiesel cost me more at the pump AND lower
>> my fuel mileage, it ALSO lubricates better! 
>>  Dave
>> 
>> On May 7, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Edchainsaw at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you will find that the bioDiesel is more lubricating than straight
>> 
>>> diesel.  My new semi (cummins isx) warrenty is void  if I add   oil to the
>> 
>>> fuel (and it can be detected) I dont think its bad to add the oil but  
>>> it just something extra.
>>> 
>>> we questioned our oil delivery man hard on these questions and he had
>> facts 
>>> and sheets of tests to back him up.    The oil makes the things  smoke the
>> 
>>> EPA (city folks---yes your responsible for that) dont like  smoke.   
>>> 
>>> The Bio fuels  DO NOT RUST TANKS!  the rust comes from a tank  beeing 
>>> clean and left empty so air can get in the tank if its a steel tank. 
>>> rust  is oxidation of metal.  for oxidation to occur you need air.
>>> 
>>> we had an algae problem in the late 70's and early 80's  but filters  and 
>>> the killer solutions got that undercontrol...   yes  change  your filters 
>>> often!     we burn in exess of  10,000 gal  of diesel  a year in 3 storage
>> 
>>> tanks.  we try to keep all steel tanks  topped (so no air can get to 
>>> the tank walls because its condensation that's your  problem not the 
>>> fuel)
>>> 
>>> we as humans have to try to blame the unknown when things dont go like 
>>> we like, but if you do your job before storage of any engine you will be
>> ok.
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