[AT] gas problems--off topic now do to missinformation

Dave Rotigel rotigel at me.com
Tue May 7 20:31:55 PDT 2013


Well said Charlie! Particularly your last two sentences!
	Dave
PS, Trying very hard to remain neutral on this issue--and the opinions of those who support the DARK SIDE (and their own selfish interests!)

On May 7, 2013, at 10:48 PM, charlie hill wrote:

> Ed,  I know I'm wasting my time but I'm going to say it anyway.
> It takes more BTU's of fossil fuel to create a gallon of ethanol than the
> ethanol produces.  Also, recent data from the US Government state
> that the US among the largest reserves of oil, gas and coal of any country
> on the planet and more than enough to sustain our economy well into the next
> century.  National Security my ass.  Our deal leader just won't let us drill 
> for what we have here.
> 
> You'll get no argument from me about sugar, dairy and beef.  In fact the 
> largest part of
> USDA budget by far is Food Stamps.  The current administration has turned 
> the USDA
> into a second department of health and human services.  A big welfare 
> program.  That does
> not change the fact that the biggest lobby pushing ethanol subsidies is the 
> farm lobby.
> I'm not against ethanol.  I'm against using natural gas and oil to make 
> ethanol out of corn
> in order to keep the price of corn up.  Ethanol can NOT survive in the 
> market as a fuel without a federal
> subsidy.
> 
> Find a way to make ethanol from switch grass or wood chips or algae or 
> whatever and fuel the process
> with waste heat from other manufacturing operations and you'll get no 
> argument from me but as long
> as you are burning oil from third world countries to make ethanol with the 
> net effect of using more fuel
> and raising the price of fuel and commodities for everyone I'm against it. 
> For the record I own a farm
> and was raised on the farm and have been directly involved in or dependent 
> on agriculture for 62 years
> and 8 months.
> 
> You are right.  Some peoples opinions are based on misinformation.   those 
> would be YOURS.
> 
> Charlie
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Edchainsaw at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:04 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] gas problems--off topic now do to missinformation
> 
> we have used ethanol since  the beginning as well  no problems  here.. over
> 35yrs.
> we had problems with the lead addatives they separated in fuel and caked.
> maybe that's you guys problems? I know lots of suppliers  still add that
> junk!
> 
> as for ethanol beeing  just  a  BIG AG deal NO!  its  not..  its a US
> SECURITY ISSUE!   we get how much of our oil from  the middle east?   and 
> did
> you know  Brazil gets most of  its fuel from Ethanol!
> 
> I take very much acception to the comments of uneducated people on the
> topic of farm profitability and the ag budgets ...   especially the 
> "FEEDING
> OFF THE GOVERNMENT TROUGH"   you people do not even know  half.
> 
> the Farm partion of the Ag budget costs each person in the USA $1.   there
> are so many things in the ag budget NOT farm related its  horrific.
> 
> did you sugar, cotton,  and yes Beef and Dairy are all parts of the  FARM
> portion.
> 
> some peoples optinions are based on  missinformation
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