[AT] gas problems--off topic now do to missinformation
Dave Rotigel
rotigel at me.com
Tue May 7 20:31:55 PDT 2013
Well said Charlie! Particularly your last two sentences!
Dave
PS, Trying very hard to remain neutral on this issue--and the opinions of those who support the DARK SIDE (and their own selfish interests!)
On May 7, 2013, at 10:48 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Ed, I know I'm wasting my time but I'm going to say it anyway.
> It takes more BTU's of fossil fuel to create a gallon of ethanol than the
> ethanol produces. Also, recent data from the US Government state
> that the US among the largest reserves of oil, gas and coal of any country
> on the planet and more than enough to sustain our economy well into the next
> century. National Security my ass. Our deal leader just won't let us drill
> for what we have here.
>
> You'll get no argument from me about sugar, dairy and beef. In fact the
> largest part of
> USDA budget by far is Food Stamps. The current administration has turned
> the USDA
> into a second department of health and human services. A big welfare
> program. That does
> not change the fact that the biggest lobby pushing ethanol subsidies is the
> farm lobby.
> I'm not against ethanol. I'm against using natural gas and oil to make
> ethanol out of corn
> in order to keep the price of corn up. Ethanol can NOT survive in the
> market as a fuel without a federal
> subsidy.
>
> Find a way to make ethanol from switch grass or wood chips or algae or
> whatever and fuel the process
> with waste heat from other manufacturing operations and you'll get no
> argument from me but as long
> as you are burning oil from third world countries to make ethanol with the
> net effect of using more fuel
> and raising the price of fuel and commodities for everyone I'm against it.
> For the record I own a farm
> and was raised on the farm and have been directly involved in or dependent
> on agriculture for 62 years
> and 8 months.
>
> You are right. Some peoples opinions are based on misinformation. those
> would be YOURS.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edchainsaw at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:04 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] gas problems--off topic now do to missinformation
>
> we have used ethanol since the beginning as well no problems here.. over
> 35yrs.
> we had problems with the lead addatives they separated in fuel and caked.
> maybe that's you guys problems? I know lots of suppliers still add that
> junk!
>
> as for ethanol beeing just a BIG AG deal NO! its not.. its a US
> SECURITY ISSUE! we get how much of our oil from the middle east? and
> did
> you know Brazil gets most of its fuel from Ethanol!
>
> I take very much acception to the comments of uneducated people on the
> topic of farm profitability and the ag budgets ... especially the
> "FEEDING
> OFF THE GOVERNMENT TROUGH" you people do not even know half.
>
> the Farm partion of the Ag budget costs each person in the USA $1. there
> are so many things in the ag budget NOT farm related its horrific.
>
> did you sugar, cotton, and yes Beef and Dairy are all parts of the FARM
> portion.
>
> some peoples optinions are based on missinformation
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