[AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While

[Dave Rotigel]

Well, let me think about this a bit Tom. I would think it would take me about 2 minutes to walk from my 'puter to the workroom and round-up the screwdriver, the 1/2" wrench and the 9/16" wrench needed to remove the hood on my 1953 MH. Likely another 30 seconds to walk to the barn. Then another 10 to 12 minutes to remove the hood. I think I could get the cap off in another 30 seconds. Probably only 5 seconds to remove the rotor, and another 5 seconds to remove the dust cover (is that what it's called?) thus exposing the points. Another two seconds to turn on the ignition and then about seven seconds to flick the pointe several times. (I used to be able to flick it in six seconds, but that was when I was a lot younger!) In all, if my math is correct, that's about 14 minutes and 19 seconds (and that would be on a GOOD day!) That means that you (at 5 seconds) are at least 171 times faster than am I. (But as you said, I'm an amateur)!
Many times when I have been working on my cars/trucks/old iron I have wished I had the "right equipment". Those of us who are not so lucky have to eat bread!
	Dave
PS, Five seconds--WHAT A MAN!
PPS, Al, Tune the tractor up. Plugs, points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires. Even if it does not need it you will feel good having done it!

On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Tom wrote:

> Ignoring the sarcasm. How long would it take you Dave to flick the points
> with a screwdriver with the ignition on?
> Personally I would have gone straight to replacing the coil, because in my
> experience that's where the problem lay.
> 
> As for your experiences with '48 v8s, they always annoyed amateurs. :-)
> With the right equipment, they were a piece of cake, but then again my
> father owned a garage... And he dun bring me up proper to fix 'em proper. :-)
> 
> Tom  
> 
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> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 8:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While
>> 
>> 
>> Five seconds to check out the both the points and the coil Tom? Wow, YOU ARE GOOD! From now on I will always defer to your superior knowledge and speed!
>>     Dave
>> PS, I'm really impressed with your knowledge and ability--REALLY!
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Tom wrote:
>> 
>>> No, Dave, it would take me about 5 seconds to check the points
>>>   and condenser and 5 minutes to change the coil.
>>> 
>>> One mustn't compare one's own experience with another's; some
>>> of us actually know how things work....
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
>>>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 7:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yup, You could take 27 hours checking out ALL the necessary parts, or you could spend $100.00 and an hour of labor and get the same results. If your time is only worth $3-$4 dollars an hour, GO FOR IT!
>>>>      Dave
>>>> PS, For $100, I wouldn't give a darn what fixed it as long as it was cutting the grass once more!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The traditional garage money-making way? 
>>>>> Then you're still left not knowing which fixed the problem...
>>>>> To me, it sounds like the coil, coils can simulate a fuel problem then
>>>>> when cool work again; points are either good or bad; condensers are the
>>>>> most maligned component in a coil setup, but minimal labour to fit with
>>>>> points:- get replaced due to belts & braces (suspenders?) approaches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: "jtchall at nc.rr.com" <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm suggesting a shotgun approach--points, coil and condenser.. Mine and 
>>>>>> dad's experience has been coils go out pretty quickly, as in seconds not 
>>>>>> minutes, leading me to think it could be the condenser, but I'd bet on the 
>>>>>> coil first. Considering the tractor is not at your house, it appears to be a 
>>>>>> bit of inconvenience to work on it, that’s why I'd change it all and be done 
>>>>>> with it. If all that doesn't solve the problem, I'd look into vapor locking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Hall
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>