[AT] Water Lines

[Dave Rotigel]

It would be an interesting test to use both brass fittings and plastic fittings about one foot from each other and then see which failed first. I would, however, recommend that this test be conducted on a neighbor's water line!
	Dave

On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Mike Meulenberg wrote:

> I wasn't aware that they made brass fittings, so that is what I based by recommendation of plastic fittings on. I'm sure you'll agree that plastics have come a long way since the 70's and 80's. My thought would be to try to get as few fittings as possible by ordering a 500 or 1000 ft roll and only have two fittings, one at the meter and one at the house.
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> Mike M
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> Time: 2013-01-04, 21:55:01
> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
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> Cecil,
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> No, Shark Bites can not be buried. Here is a link to the Ford brand
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> http://www.fordmeterbox.com/products/productview.php?catSec=J
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> Gary
> Renton, WA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
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> Are those Ford fittings what we call Shark Bite fittings here??
> 
> Cecil in OKla
> 
> On 1/4/2013 7:49 PM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote:
>> As I said in a previous post I would not use plastic fittings with poly pipe. 
> All of the fittings I used in the 70's in my own installation failed in the 
> 90's. One was under the concrete in my shop. The pipe was buried with sand and 
> I still had fitting failures and yes they were schedule 40. In my business I 
> have repaired/replaced 100 psi pipe and plastic fittings. They have been good 
> for my business. They seem to last about 10 to 20 years. I agree that galvanized 
> steel fittings are not good so I use brass. If I can convince the customer, I 
> use compression fittings (some plumbers call them Ford fittings, which is a 
> brand name). That is what all of the water districts use in this area. Most of 
> the water districts in my area (Western Washington) require 200 psi 1 inch Iron 
> Pipe Size (IPS). Glued pipe is discouraged and in some cases not allowed.
>> 
>> Gary
>> Renton, WA
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Meulenberg <meulenms at gmx.com>
>> To: at <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:31 pm
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
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>> Was just at Lowes and they have 100' x 1" for 54.00 it's the 160 psi variety, 
> I
>> suspect you may be able to special order a 500' coil. They had larger sized as
>> well. I agree with Cecil, I would use plastic fitting with Marine grade 
> clamps,
>> the steel ones rust and corrode. I would choose poly over PVC, its really 
> tough
>> stuff and not brittle like PVC.
>> 
>> Mike M
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>> From: charlie hill
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>> Time: 2013-01-04, 09:54:44
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
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>> There is a Tractor Supply not far from Al that has 1" 100 psi x 300' roll
>> for $85.00.
>> I suspect someone around his place has it even cheaper than that.
>> 
>> Charlie
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 9:05 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
>> 
>> Lowe's has a lot of it at a reasonable price. I used to buy a lot of
>> pipe at Pumpco Supply, I think they also had a store in Tulsa. Locke
>> Supply will give a pretty god discount to the end user. You can also
>> use the 1 inch 200 psi PVC glued joint. I have pulled that pipe in a
>> ripped trench also. I have 3000 ft of pipe 6 ft deep for my heat
>> exchanger here. It is 2 inch 160 psi. The black plastic pipe connects
>> with barbed connections and hose clamps. Contrary to this list opinion,
>> I have had very good success with plastic Hose barbs. The galvanized
>> ones rust. The olastic ones I have used were the same size as schedule
>> 40 PVC. The new PEX pipe that used copper crimp rings is really great.
>> I have used it and had good success. The 1 inch pex uses brass barbs.
>> 
>> If I was to build a new heat and air system, I would use a ground source
>> heat pump for my air conditioning and water heating, then an outdoor
>> boiler for heating the house, water, dryer, and stock tank heat.
>> 
>> Cecil in OKla
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>> 
>> On 1/3/2013 10:58 PM, moscowengnr at yahoo.com wrote:
>>> The posts on water lines were really informative. I am getting ready to
>>> install 500 to 600 feet of water line to connect a new cabin I am building
>>> on back of property where house in front burned down with Oklahoma
>>> wildfires.
>>> 
>>> Where can you purchase the rolled plastic pipe that was mentioned in some
>>> of the posts??
>>> 
>>> Is this similar to what is used for some gas lines??
>>> 
>>> Does it do joints by heating and pressing together?? if so does this work
>>> well?? where do you get tools for this??
>>> 
>>> This may be interesting for water lines, but I also want to try some
>>> experimenting with ground heat exchangers for heat and air. Having a long
>>> roll of plastic pipe would help with a few trial projects both in
>>> Oklahoma, and also here in Texas for my shop here.
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>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dennis
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