[AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger

Sun Feb 10 05:56:59 PST 2013

That is exactly how the Spicers work for me, but 1/2 of the time I grind 
the Roadranger.  My old 3406 cats are pretty quick on the throttle.  I 
don't have near the problem with the 400 Cummins and RTO9513 in the 
Freightliner.  I have thought about putting a power Rollback bed on the 
Freightliner, With  my insurance rates, I am trying to find a heavy duty 
Pintle hook trailer that I can haul my trackhoe and loader on and get 
rid of the Semi & Lowboy trailer.   The rollback is heavy enough to haul 
a D6 on.

Cecil in OKla

On 2/10/2013 5:29 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Wow,  I just don't understand that.  The ones I drove were smooth as silk.
> You just have to listen to it and feel it and give the lever a tug when the
> time is right.
> It'll pop right in.  All I can think is that the stuff you drive is newer
> than what I drove
> and maybe the new transmissions are different somehow.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:01 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
>
>
>
> Most of the time I use the clutch for only starting & stopping.  But
> they still are a pain in the butt to shift without grinding.  It is
> really embarrassing.  I can shift nearly anything without the clutch,
> even my tractors, but these roadrangers are the most diffficult.  I
> finally just give up and quit worrying about it...
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
> On 2/9/2013 10:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Wow,  I've driven RTO 9513's and RTO 12513's as well as the 10 speed road
>> rangers (not sure of the model #)
>> and they are all smooth as silk.  It does take a day or two to get used to
>> them, or it for me but after that
>> it's simple.  In fact back when I was sitting behind one all the time I
>> could shift the 13 speeds or the 10's
>> up or down through the gears and never touch the clutch pedal except for
>> starting off and stopping.
>> You just have to wait for it to tell you it's time and it will pull it's
>> self right in gear.  I never had any problem
>> taking off in the high side of the transmission either when unloaded.  The
>> stuff I was driving didn’t have
>> enough power or the right gearing to take off in the high side with a
>> load.
>> I mostly drove 8V-71 Detroits or
>> 290 or 350 Cummins.  They were in Brockways, KW's, GMC's, Fords,
>> Peterbilts
>> and IH's .
>> Speaking of speed, one Brockway that I drove for a couple of years had an
>> 8-71 Detroit with an RTO 12513
>> and 4.11 gears on 22 inch tires.  It would run 86 mph empty and would get
>> close to it loaded.  It would tap the
>> governor in 12th loaded but generally wouldn't get past about 2200 rpm
>> loaded in 13th.  The rack was set for 2450 rpm.
>> We had one mechanic that was an ace on Detroit racks.  He could make one
>> purr.  If Herman had recently set the rack on it
>> it would tap the governor in 13th as long as the load wasn't much over
>> 80,000 lbs.  That truck had dual stacks behind the
>> cab corners on a day cab and they had been gutted.  It would sing for
>> everyone to hear and my ears are ringing right now
>> from listening to her for those years.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:50 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger
>>
>> Charlie:
>> I have an 84 Ford L9000 w/ 3406 Cat and 12 spd Spicer.  It tops out at
>> about 80mph.  I have an 83 LTL9000 w/ 3406 Cat and RT913, it tips out at
>> 62, Downhill, with a tailwind!
>>
>>     I can start out the Spicer in high range with no problem.  I do not
>> normally have to use the lower 6 gears.  In fact if I had to have them,
>> I would be out of luck as the air shifter control valve got some
>> moisture in it and I have not yet unstuck it.
>>
>> I have to move the roadranger in one of the lower 6 gears to get it
>> started Then shift into high range.  I may only have to move 20 ft, but
>> it has to start out in those lower range gears.
>>
>>     I started driving  in an old 12 spd spicer that had the 2spd input, 2
>> spd output, and 3 gears in the middle, behind a 238 v-8 detroit.   I
>> kept bean cans hung under the airbox oil drains it leaked so much.  It
>> ran like a bat out of hell though...
>>
>> I always wanted a roadranger.  I finally got an RTO 9513 in the old 75
>> chevy firetruck I drove back from NJ a few years back.  I could never
>> shift it without clashing the gears.  I got the LTL with the roadranger
>> and still couldn't shift without grinding, later got a FLC 120
>> Freightliner with a 400 Cummins and a RTO9513, I have no idea what it is
>> geared at, but it pegs the speedometer and still has more left, but must
>> start out in the lower range. I guess I just need to stay with the
>> Spicer Trans, but it is pretty hard to do since Rockwell bought them
>> out....
>>
>> All of my Transmissions have PTO's on both sides.  They leak oil, never
>> had one that did not leak.    I have a mixture of 85/140 and Mystic
>> Central Lube (00 grease) in them to keep them from leaking out.  Better
>> a thick grease than none at all....
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 2/9/2013 7:19 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Cecil,  you might like those Roadrangers better when you get the right
>>> oil
>>> in them.. grins.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:12 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>>
>>> Charlie:
>>> I hate to appear ignorant, but I just found that out.  I have 3
>>> Roadranger transmissions and I use Mystic JT-7 85/140 They are a little
>>> difficult to shift when cold, but I just thought that was a
>>> roadranger.   I grew up with a Spicer 12 speed.  Frankly, I still prefer
>>> them over the 13 spd Roadranger.
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2013 1:31 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Cecil,  unless they have changed since my gear jamming days,  all Fuller
>>>> Roadranger transmissions in heavy trucks
>>>> use mineral oil in the transmissions so it should be easy enough to find
>>>> it
>>>> through heavy truck suppliers.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:19 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>>>
>>>> 90 wt Pure Mineral OIl.   It may be hard to find.  I had to buy some
>>>> from NAPA last year...  API GL-1.  Try an older oil supplier.  The new
>>>> guys will just give you a dumb look.
>>>> Here is a couple of links to give you a spec so you can find it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frontierlubricants.com/Gear_Lubes
>>>> http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1610&ProductCat=Automotive&ProductSCat=Gear%20Oils&ProductSSCat=90%20WT%20Gear%20Oil%20%20GL-1
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/8/2013 3:35 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>>> My brother is working on TO-20 Ferguson and it needs
>>>>> transmission/hydraulic fluid.  We are not sure what type or oil goes in
>>>>> this tractor.  What is the correct transmission oil?
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