[AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger

Sat Feb 9 20:01:19 PST 2013

Wow,  I've driven RTO 9513's and RTO 12513's as well as the 10 speed road 
rangers (not sure of the model #)
and they are all smooth as silk.  It does take a day or two to get used to 
them, or it for me but after that
it's simple.  In fact back when I was sitting behind one all the time I 
could shift the 13 speeds or the 10's
up or down through the gears and never touch the clutch pedal except for 
starting off and stopping.
You just have to wait for it to tell you it's time and it will pull it's 
self right in gear.  I never had any problem
taking off in the high side of the transmission either when unloaded.  The 
stuff I was driving didn’t have
enough power or the right gearing to take off in the high side with a load. 
I mostly drove 8V-71 Detroits or
290 or 350 Cummins.  They were in Brockways, KW's, GMC's, Fords, Peterbilts 
and IH's .
Speaking of speed, one Brockway that I drove for a couple of years had an 
8-71 Detroit with an RTO 12513
and 4.11 gears on 22 inch tires.  It would run 86 mph empty and would get 
close to it loaded.  It would tap the
governor in 12th loaded but generally wouldn't get past about 2200 rpm 
loaded in 13th.  The rack was set for 2450 rpm.
We had one mechanic that was an ace on Detroit racks.  He could make one 
purr.  If Herman had recently set the rack on it
it would tap the governor in 13th as long as the load wasn't much over 
80,000 lbs.  That truck had dual stacks behind the
cab corners on a day cab and they had been gutted.  It would sing for 
everyone to hear and my ears are ringing right now
from listening to her for those years.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:50 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson & roadranger

Charlie:
I have an 84 Ford L9000 w/ 3406 Cat and 12 spd Spicer.  It tops out at
about 80mph.  I have an 83 LTL9000 w/ 3406 Cat and RT913, it tips out at
62, Downhill, with a tailwind!

  I can start out the Spicer in high range with no problem.  I do not
normally have to use the lower 6 gears.  In fact if I had to have them,
I would be out of luck as the air shifter control valve got some
moisture in it and I have not yet unstuck it.

I have to move the roadranger in one of the lower 6 gears to get it
started Then shift into high range.  I may only have to move 20 ft, but
it has to start out in those lower range gears.

  I started driving  in an old 12 spd spicer that had the 2spd input, 2
spd output, and 3 gears in the middle, behind a 238 v-8 detroit.   I
kept bean cans hung under the airbox oil drains it leaked so much.  It
ran like a bat out of hell though...

I always wanted a roadranger.  I finally got an RTO 9513 in the old 75
chevy firetruck I drove back from NJ a few years back.  I could never
shift it without clashing the gears.  I got the LTL with the roadranger
and still couldn't shift without grinding, later got a FLC 120
Freightliner with a 400 Cummins and a RTO9513, I have no idea what it is
geared at, but it pegs the speedometer and still has more left, but must
start out in the lower range. I guess I just need to stay with the
Spicer Trans, but it is pretty hard to do since Rockwell bought them out....

All of my Transmissions have PTO's on both sides.  They leak oil, never
had one that did not leak.    I have a mixture of 85/140 and Mystic
Central Lube (00 grease) in them to keep them from leaking out.  Better
a thick grease than none at all....

Cecil in OKla

On 2/9/2013 7:19 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Cecil,  you might like those Roadrangers better when you get the right oil
> in them.. grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:12 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>
> Charlie:
> I hate to appear ignorant, but I just found that out.  I have 3
> Roadranger transmissions and I use Mystic JT-7 85/140 They are a little
> difficult to shift when cold, but I just thought that was a
> roadranger.   I grew up with a Spicer 12 speed.  Frankly, I still prefer
> them over the 13 spd Roadranger.
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 2/9/2013 1:31 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Cecil,  unless they have changed since my gear jamming days,  all Fuller
>> Roadranger transmissions in heavy trucks
>> use mineral oil in the transmissions so it should be easy enough to find
>> it
>> through heavy truck suppliers.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:19 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: [AT] Spam> Re: TO-20 Ferguson
>>
>> 90 wt Pure Mineral OIl.   It may be hard to find.  I had to buy some
>> from NAPA last year...  API GL-1.  Try an older oil supplier.  The new
>> guys will just give you a dumb look.
>> Here is a couple of links to give you a spec so you can find it.
>>
>> http://www.frontierlubricants.com/Gear_Lubes
>> http://www.starbrite.com/productdetail.cfm?ID=1610&ProductCat=Automotive&ProductSCat=Gear%20Oils&ProductSSCat=90%20WT%20Gear%20Oil%20%20GL-1
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>> On 2/8/2013 3:35 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>
>>> My brother is working on TO-20 Ferguson and it needs
>>> transmission/hydraulic fluid.  We are not sure what type or oil goes in
>>> this tractor.  What is the correct transmission oil?
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