[AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)

Rob Wilson ro.wilson at att.net
Tue Dec 10 13:37:17 PST 2013


Autozone parts are subpar at best. I replaced the timing belt, put a new water pump and tensioner on my wife's car and almost 1 year to the day the bearing I'm the tensioner seized taking out the belt and stranding is on a dark road. I asked my friend that has owned his own shop for almost 40 years what I did wrong? He said the only thing that might have caused it is if I used autozone parts. He said he used to use them but kept getting burned on labor lost and lost customers. He said stick with Napa and leave the Chinese autozone junk to the backyard mechanics that don't mind practicing doing the same job over for free. 
Rob

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> On Dec 10, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Cabin fever I presume?  grins
> 
> Charlie
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Richard Fink Sr
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:21 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
> 
> Charlie how would you push auto zone every one i have seen was big. And it
> would take more than one guy to push it.Maybe if you used your truck also he
> he.
> R Fink
> Snowy PA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
> 
> 
>> Oh I agree with you there but the oil you buy from them and the name brand
>> parts are
>> the same.  I'm not trying to push Autozone.  Just saying that any business
>> in your area
>> is putting money into the local economy.  I prefer the locally owned but
>> don't believe
>> in harming myself or my pocket book to avoid a chain store if they have
>> what
>> I need.
>> 
>> Well we're now only 2 weeks out from Christmas eve so let me be the first
>> to
>> tell the list Merry Christmas!
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Steve Offiler
>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:28 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>> 
>> Charlie, what I really dislike about AutoZone is their parts tend to be
>> lower in quality and at least the stores near me tend toward row after row
>> of waxes and various other detailing supplies, with bored high-school kids
>> behind the counter; where my local NAPA still gives you premium-price,
>> premium quality options on many items not to mention books under the
>> counter
>> that list old tractors and even power equipment.  I can get a fuel pump
>> for
>> an 8HP Briggs at NAPA.
>> 
>> SO
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Steve I share your allegiance to local business but
>>> remember that the guys that work at Autozone are local too.
>>> Only the net profit leaves town.
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 8:19 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Charlie.  My local NAPA (where I prefer to do business whenever
>>> possible) only carries the 303, which now that I have more facts, seems
>>> rather odd.  My area has a fair amount of dairy, and plenty of horses,
>>> thus
>>> plenty of tractors, and the MultiTrac now appears to be the "right stuff"
>>> to meet most mfg specs.  I'm not sure where anybody would want to use the
>>> 303.
>>> 
>>> Supposedly my local Autozone has some MultiTrac in stock.  If you can
>>> believe that their website *really* knows the stock status
>>> store-by-store.
>>> My local-ish Tractor Supply doesn't seem to list it but I am checking
>>> that
>>> again before I bring my business to Autozone...
>>> 
>>> SO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM, charlie hill
>>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Steve,   MultiTrac is what I use in my AC tractors.
>>>> Around here you can buy that at Tractor Supply, Autozone and a lot
>>>> of other places.
>>>> 
>>>> Charlie
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:52 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>>> 
>>>> THANKS for all the responses!  I believe I have figured out what
>>>> happened:
>>>> 
>>>> If you note in my story, they pulled out some documents from under the
>>>> counter and showed me one that indicated it was compatible with Ford
>>>> M2C134D.  Here it is:  (scroll down to page 2)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.warrenoil.com/MSDS-Spec/PDS/Coastal/PDS%20-%20Coastal%20Multitrac%20Tractor%20Fluid.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> But that is NOT the oil they sold me.  The above is a different Coastal
>>>> product, called MultiTrac.  What I got was Coastal 303, which, when you
>>>> look at the data sheet, is obviously the wrong stuff:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.warrenoil.com/MSDS-Spec/PDS/Coastal/PDS%20-%20Coastal%20303%20Tractor%20Fluid.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> I think it was an honest mistake by the counter guy.  I don't think they
>>>> stock the MultiTrac and he mistakenly believed he was showing me the
>>>> correct data sheet.
>>>> 
>>>> SO
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Alan Riley <arr44 at suddenlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also have a Ford 1520, a 1987 year model, 2wd, 9x3 transmission.
>>>>> When
>>>> I
>>>>> changed
>>>>> it's hydraulic oil and filter the last time, I was still able to get
>>>>> the
>>>>> Ford 134 oil and the
>>>>> filter at the local NH dealer.  That has been several years back though
>>>>> and
>>>>> the nearest
>>>>> NH dealer is now 65 miles away.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't recall for certain the revision number on the 134 oil I used
>>>>> but
>>>> I
>>>>> think it may
>>>>> have been D.  Maybe I should have stocked up on the oil when I had the
>>>>> chance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Riley
>>>>> Deville, LA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:10 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've got a 1991 Ford 1520, a Japanese-built 23HP diesel 4x4 hydrostatic
>>>>> from approx 1991, just before Ford sold to New Holland.  A few weeks
>>>>> ago
>>>> I
>>>>> did a 1000-hr major maintenance including hydraulic fluid change.  I've
>>>>> got
>>>>> the original service manual, which calls for "Ford 134" fluid.  The
>>>>> only
>>>>> other reference in the manual is to Ford part numbers 1GM-134C (1 gal)
>>>> and
>>>>> 5GM-134C (5 gal).  Searching around the net, I concluded this stuff
>>>>> must
>>>>> be
>>>>> Ford M2C134x fluid where the x is like a revision, starting with A
>>>>> which
>>>>> apparently was used in the 8N era... hence, this really isn't all that
>>>>> OT
>>>>> after all.  Looks like they were up to rev C in the early 1990's based
>>>>> on
>>>>> what is called out in my manual, and it also looks like the modern
>>>>> standard
>>>>> is up to D now.  If I got any of that wrong PLEASE jump in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I ended up purchasing Coastal 303 Tractor Fluid, which I was a bit
>>>>> leery
>>>>> about, until the sales guy pulled out a multi-page document from behind
>>>>> the
>>>>> counter that listed a wealth of detail on Coastal 303, including
>>>>> compatibility with the Ford M2C134D spec.  OK then, sold.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The problem I am having now is that the fluid seems too viscous.  As
>>>>> the
>>>>> cold weather arrived, I immediately noticed that the loader lifted
>>>>> slowly
>>>>> and the bucket roll was almost ridiculously slow.  Not long after that,
>>>> it
>>>>> literally blew the gasket off the hydrostatic filter.  My first clue
>>>>> was
>>>>> copious amounts of fluid pouring from the filter area, and once I
>>>>> removed
>>>>> it, I observed the gasket was out of place.  I tucked it back in,
>>>>> tightened
>>>>> the filter up real good, and it was OK for another couple weeks.  Just
>>>>> today, same thing, it's pouring out the filter gasket again.  I am
>>>>> concluding that the fluid is too thick, the flow is too slow, building
>>>>> pressure on the return side (filter side), and that's what is blowing
>>>>> the
>>>>> gasket.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I got all this right, that means Coastal 303 is NOT so very
>>>>> equivalent
>>>>> to Ford M2C134D after all.  Does anybody have any knowledge of these
>>>>> fluids?  What do I really need to be shopping for?  (I don't know where
>>>> or
>>>>> IF I could even find genuine Ford fluid any more)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> Steve O.
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