[AT] potato planting

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Wed Apr 17 05:46:01 PDT 2013


That is their major strength Al.  They are tough as nails
and over powered for their size.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:28 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting

Naw I'm good....used to have a neighbor that gardened with an Allis B.  He 
proved that they had it right when they designed the B.  It was well-run 
into the ground when he got it, I swear I don't know how it ran but it did!

Al


-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 17, 2013 7:27 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>LOL,  Al, John, John, Al....... no problem.
>We might have both made Al mad?
>Once again I was attempting to "multi-task"
>while handling my e-mail.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:05 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>This would be a great time for you to get mad at me Charlie, since you
>thought it was Al that sent that last post instead of yours truly!
>
>John Hall
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: charlie hill
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:13 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>One more thing Al.  I actually spent a lot of time on A's, Super A's
>and 140's as a child.  I like them.  I just love the AC stuff because
>that is what we had on our place by circumstance and I grew up with
>it.  My uncle that we farmed with and my grandfather on my mom's side
>both ran IH stuff.   My grandfather never had anything but IH stuff.  He 
>had
>an A, H and a Super M.  He had a PTO combine and a bailer that were IH 
>also.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: charlie hill
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:00 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>you covered it well Al and no I'm not mad because you
>are absolutely right.  I grew up on AC stuff and am very
>fond of it but a B, C, CA or the D-10 I cut my teeth on can't
>hold a candle to a Super A or 140 for one row cultivation.
>The front cultivator frames on AC stuff have too much slop
>in them (not worn out.  they were like that new)
>and you have to start with the plows in closer than
>you want to allow for them to push out when they hit the
>resistance of the dirt plus it's harder to see what you are plowing
>on the AC tractors because of the IH offset engine/drive train.
>There are some advantages to the AC stuff but not for cultivating.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:37 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>Sorry Herb! I did leave a lot of folks in the dark with that!  Here in
>tobacco country it is pretty much a given fact that 95% or more of gardens
>tended by tractors are done so by the Farmall offset series tractors--Cubs
>through 140's. Yes there are some Allis B's and G's and a few Deere M's and
>40's, but they just don't work as well for cultivating, never have never
>will. If that offends anyone, get over it, the sales numbers don't lie.
>Now that you know what style tractor I am referring to, here is how they 
>are
>set-up to cultivate. The front cultivators (mounted under the center of the
>tractor) are switched up for different tasks. For making rows, You pretty
>much have 2 options, disc hillers and buzzard wings. Disc hillers are
>essentially 12-14" dia cupped discs, like a harrow or disc plow uses, set 
>to
>oppose each other that will throw the dirt towards the center of the
>tractor. Buzzard wings are about 18-24" long pieces of flat steel in pretty
>much an elongated tear drop shaped pattern, they are setup the same way as
>disc hillers. Buzzard wings allow you to drive faster as they push the 
>dirt,
>where the disc hillers can throw the dirt beyond where you want it to go.
>Immediately behind the rear wheels are mounted a large V-shaped cultivator
>sweep about 18-20" wide. This is for plowing out the middles (where the
>tractor runs).
>
>Start with your land harrowed (disced) to your satisfaction. If you want
>tall plant beds, run your front and rear cultivators. Careful or you will
>get them so high you can't get any dirt to your plants later on. We
>generally use the front rather shallow and the back down all the way. Once
>you have your rows bedded, you can drove on top of them and let your back
>sweeps down to open the rows, obviously you will be working to rows at 
>once.
>There is another option which is to install a row opener on the front
>cultivators. This is just a single small shovel that does the same as using
>the rear seeps, just on one row at a time.
>
>Once the crop is up there are multiple options for cultivating including
>using multiple small shovels or straight teeth (similar to a chisel plow),
>rolling cultivtors (think rotary hoe mounted on a compound angle so it will
>work the side of the bed to tear up weeds as well as move dirt toward the
>plants), also fertilizer attachments can be used.
>
>Hope this clears things up a bit.
>
>Al, Charlie, feel free to add anything I missed. Of course Charlie is
>probably mad at me because I don't like his beloved AC's for cultivating!
>
>John Hall
>
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Herb Metz
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:05 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>
>John,
>Your descriptive reply is probably very complete, but to a person from the
>midwest, it is not understandable.  Would appreciate further elaboration,
>using different terms.
>TIA, Herb
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:36 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>Charlie, we bed the land and then drive on top of the row and run just the
>rear sweeps to open them. Generally we don't bed it too high initially or
>you'll never get any dirt up to the plants.
>
>John Hall
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: charlie hill
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:44 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] potato planting
>
>Ron when I was growing up that was pretty much standard for all garden rows
>as well as tobacco rows.
>Then we had a board or something similar to a grader blade that knocked off
>the top of the row to
>make a flat spot for planting.  Folks still do it here for gardens.   For
>big time farming it's all done
>with one machine as Grant described.
>
>Charlie
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 2:14 PM
>To: jdat ; Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: [AT] potato planting
>
>Has anyone used a lister to prepare a potato patch for planting?
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
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