[AT] Off Topic, Logging property

Sun Sep 23 09:56:17 PDT 2012

It's a very small Ford, a European model.

Mattias

2012/9/23 Paul Waugh <paul at plwaugh.com>

> I can't seem to find anything on Google about what KA is ... must not be
> important.
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
>
> Didn't someone once say "Those who give up their liberty for security live
> in KA and vote for OBAMA"?
>         Dave
>
> On Sep 23, 2012, at 7:15 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> > I think Mr. Jefferson made the definitive statement on this subject a
> > few hundred years ago.  Unfortunately we didn't listen well.
> >
> > "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
> > blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty
> > years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its
> > liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their
> > people preserve the spirit of resistance?  Let them take arms." --
> > Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Meulenberg
> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:44 AM
> > To: at
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
> >
> > But therin lies the problem Grant, you see the old trees once
> > established have figured out how to pass rules in the forest to make
> > sure they never get pruned. They take fruit and seeds from some
> > plants, and distribute them to other plants and animals in the forest,
> > making sure those plants and animals know that the old trees where
> > responsible for their freebies. Now when it comes time to get pruned
> > guess who is seen as too valuable to prune? Why of course it's the old
> > trees who provide for all the other plants animals of the forest, with
> > things that don't belong to them in the first place. Mike M
> >
> >
> > ----- Receiving the following content -----
> > From: Grant Brians
> > Receiver: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Time: 2012-09-21, 11:54:35
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
> >
> >
> > Every so often a
> > massive pruning is just smart. When did we have a massive pruning
> > last???? I look forward to that happening, but also a society of law
> > is not Socialism, it is a functioning society.
> >       Grant Brians
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:22 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
> >
> >
> > You mean that in KA there are still some areas where an individual
> > still has the freedom to use their personal property as they see fit?
> > This is NOT GOOD! VOTE OBAMA and and MORE socialism!
> >  Dave
> > PS, "Land of Fruits and Nuts"? Now I understand!
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Grant Brians wrote:
> >
> >> Here in California we have two basic classes of forest - those in
> >> areas where there are controls enforced and those where the controls are
> not.
> > The
> >> Santa Cruz Mountains near us are one of the areas that are managed
> >> forests that the timber companies only harvest in ways that are
> >> sustainable and everyone involved KNOWS that the plan will be
> >> followed. On the other hand, even though plans are required for any
> >> forests, here in my county, there
> > are
> >> people that just indiscriminately cut down the old growth oak and
> >> pines
> > and
> >> assume the state's foresters will not catch them or will just
> >> admonish
> > them.
> >> I know of one rancher that is a terrible offender like this, but so
> >> far
> > the
> >> forester has not been able to prove that the rancher is the one doing
> >> the work because the forester covers an area about the size of
> Sweden....
> >> Firewood collection is something that is needed from some of our
> >> forests to assure the larger trees make it to harvest maturity
> >> because of the low precipitation levels of much of California. But at
> >> the same time intelligence is CLEARLY needed to retain the soils
> >> (nearly all forest in California is on hillsides or mountainsides,
> >> much of which exceeds 30% grades and some as much as 75%) and to keep
> >> the proper mix of plants to support wildlife and control erosion.
> >> Some states do not require forest management plans, but thankfully we
> >> do - the lack thereof in past times
> > led
> >> to spectacular flood events and property and habitat destruction, we
> > learned
> >> the hard way and with many lawyers and insurance companies involved....
> >> Grant Brians
> >> Hollister,California Vegetable, Fruit and Nuts farmer
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Mattias
> >> Kessen
> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:47 PM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Off Topic, Logging property
> >>
> >>
> >> You Americans never seize to surprise. No offense but is it common to
> >> own forest without a plan and harvest often for firewood. I'm
> >> beginning to question my understanding of the English language and I
> >> know little about modern forest industry here but... I'm surprised.
> >> I've always thought forest to be a long term investment. Once again
> >> no offense I'm aware that our societies are very different and can't
> >> be compared therefor (which is very apparent when you read most
> >> Swedish newspapers reporting from USA, using our standards for you is
> absurd as the other way around).
> >> I think I've got to pour me another whisky here in the sauna and read
> >> more of Arto Paasilinnas great authorship.
> >>
> >> Mattias
> >> Den 17 sep 2012 16:22 skrev "Mark Greer" <markagreer at embarqmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> You need to create a "Timber Management Plan". This involves having
> >>> a qualified forester advise/help you develop a plan for your
> >>> woodlot's specific conditions and your specific intentions for it.
> >>> You will
> >> inventory
> >>> and value trees which have good potential and then develop a plan to
> >>> help them reach that potential at a faster rate. This involves
> >>> Timber Stand Improvement (TSI) work which may include selective
> >>> thinning around crop trees, trimming/removing grape vines, selective
> >>> harvesting for timber, etc., etc. It is an ongoing process but can
> >>> be financially very much
> > worth
> >>> your while. Your local Ag Extension service would be one place to
> >>> start looking for this information to get started. Pennsylvania DCNR
> >>> is also a good place to start looking for information.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/forestry/privatelands.aspx
> >>>
> >>> An active Timber Management plan is a must for land owned where you
> >>> plan to sell timber some day. The tax ramifications of not having a
> >>> documented working plan can make it not worth selling timber because
> >>> you stand to
> >> lose
> >>> so much of a sale to taxes. By inventorying and valuing the trees at
> >>> the time of land purchase and then looking at the difference in
> >>> value at the time of sale, you can count a sale as a capital gain
> >>> and only owe the
> >> lower
> >>> capital gains tax rate on the difference (the capital gain) vs. just
> >>> selling timber and paying the higher income tax rate on the WHOLE sale.
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I think I'm going to contact an un-biased forester and create a
> >>> logging plan.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully we will follow the plan and there will be no surprises in
> >>> the family.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you everybody for the information.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Will
> >>> SE PA
> >>>
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