[AT] John Deere 450C

Cecil R Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Thu Jun 28 04:50:46 PDT 2012 

If you are clearing trees out of a fence row, am excavator cannot be 
beat.  I have a 110B cat about a 26000 lb machine.  I also have a D6 8U 
and 2 ea 1150 Case Dozers.   Both case dozers need work and are not in 
use right now, the Cat dozer runs on 5 cyl most of the time, and the 
engine is so worn it is amazing that it even runs.   However, bearings 
are pure gold, so we just  run it judiciously.   The excavator is great 
for lifting and moving things as it has so much control over the 
movement that you can do precision jobs.   A thumb attachment is really 
great for loading junk in a truck.   However, you have to practice with 
it to be able to pick things up without damage.    I use mine a lot for 
a lift, it has plenty of reach to pull a forklift mast or remove a 
combine engine.   It also does not leak down....
Cecil in OKla

On 6/27/2012 6:25 PM, Grant Brians wrote:
> I'll chime in with an ATIS reference on this discussion. It is possible to do nearly any kind of earth-moving with an antique crawler dozer given a bit of time. It is possible to do many of same things and some wet material movement that a dozer cannot really do. A modern excavator can often work faster than an older one and the same with a modern dozer, but sometimes that is not true and often the older machine is unimaginably cheaper to purchase and run....
>       In other words, your mileage will vary based on the type of operator and the jobs attempted! Personally, I would love to have an excavator or a drag line, but the size I would need kind of limits me to dreaming. Also, having learned on a 9N Ford trip bucket loader how to "play" an earth moving machine many, many years ago I would have no concerns about using an older machine and it being as efficient.
>       Remember I have a D8 13A (1953) cable dozer, a D6CSA (1974), a D4 7J (1941), an RD4G (1937) and an Allis-Chalmers HD-5 (1953) dozer and crawlers are fun and far more versatile than most people realize.
>            Grant Brians
>            Hollister,California vegetable, nuts and fruit farmer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:17 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C
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>
> Agreed Gary.  I knew we were both saying about the same thing.  Just trying
> to get the point across to whomever might be reading.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:34 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C
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> Charlie,
>
> I think we are both on the same page.  As I said, if I had a choice and the
> money, an excavator would be my selection.
>
> Gary
>
> Renton, WA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 3:48 am
> Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C
>
>
> Gary,  I can't argue with a thing you said there.  I've just noticed over
> the years that all small contractors used to have a dozer.  Now
> more and more you see that the small contractors have an excavator and use
> it to do the work the dozer was doing.  It takes a different
> technique to get the job done but generally speaking it's faster with the
> excavator.  Of course there are things you can only do with the dozer.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:05 AM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C
>
> I have both dozers and excavators and don't agree Charlie.  The push blade
> on an excavator is just that, a push blade.  The blades are not designed to
> do the work a dozer blade and dozer will do. Excavator travel speeds are
> generally slower than a dozer even in high speed travel.  The hydrostatic
> drives on an excavators are not designed to do much more than move the
> machine. The business end of an excavator will do a lot of work.  A John
> Deere 450C dozer in low range first gear is rated to pull 18,050 pounds. In
> terms of clearing brush, the excavator is likely a better choice depending
> on terrain.  On steep hillside a dozer is a better choice.  These
> comparisons are based on equal weight and horsepower machines.  There are
> excavators that can pick a JD-450 up in the bucket.  There are so many
> variables involved including the cost of the machine, it's not easy to make
> a decision as to what machine would be the best. I would want to know the
> work the machine is expected to do and what the budget will allow. You will
> spend at least twice the money for an equivalent excavator here in the NW.
> JD-450's are selling for as low as $4,000.  These are older machines but
> have a lot of life in them.  Newer machines are in the 20 to 40 K range.
>
>
> Gary
>
> Renton WA
>
> 30 plus years dozing and excavating business.
>
> Now if you asked me which machine I would choose, I would probably say
> excavator.  I'm thinking on a ranch a dozer may be the better choice.  Would
> need to know what the majority of the work would consist of.
>
>
> An excavator will a small push blade on
> it will out work a dozer wish a backhoe on it 2 to 1 in most jobs
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C
>
>
> Wayne,  I don’t know exactly what you want to do with it so I might be off
> base but for speed and utility I'd rather have my money
> in a track excavator that a dozer.  An excavator will a small push blade on
> it will out work a dozer wish a backhoe on it 2 to 1 in most jobs.
> I know that doesn't answer your question.   I just wanted to throw that out
> there for you to consider.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:36 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C
>
> I have owned a JD-450C dozer for many years-no backhoe attachment.  Top
> speed listed in the specs is 6.7 MPH.  I would not want to spend much time
> at that speed, especially if you were operating on rocky ground.  The 450 is
> a good machine for it's size.  I have put several thousand hours on mine.  I
> have rebuilt the engine and one final drive and put about 3 sets of tracks
> and undercarriage on it.  I can tell you some of the weak points to look at
> if you want to shoot me an off list email.  Can't answer any questions about
> the backhoe attachment.  I do have parts and repair manuals.
>
> Gary
>
> Renton, WA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Snelling, Wayne K <wsnelling at southplainscollege.edu>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:01 am
> Subject: [AT] John Deere 450C
>
>
> I need to purchase/use a backhoe and a dozer on my ranch and saw a JD 450C
> with
> a blade on the front and a backhoe on the back. Not sure if this would be a
> good
> combo? Anyone use this combo?
> Would the JD 450C be a good investment for occasional use as both
> dozer/backhoe.
> Curious if I am patient enough to get from spot-to-spot on a ranch/farm that
> could require more than a mile to move?
> Inquiring minds want to know???
> Wayne
>
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