[AT] John Deere 450C
k7jdj at aol.com
k7jdj at aol.com
Wed Jun 27 21:51:29 PDT 2012
Remember I have a D8 13A (1953) cable doze
When I was in high school I ran an old Allis-Chalmers HD-10 with a 12 foot wide cable blade. The blade was way to big and heavy for the HD-10. With the spring suspension on the dozer, when you tried to raise the blade the first thing that happened is the nose of the dozer went down. When the blade finally started to come up, it would jump about a foot or more. I was really good at building speed bumps. The only way I could get somewhat smooth ground was to "back blade. After 4 to 6 hours of running the machine my arms could no longer pull the steering levers.
Gary
Renton, WA.
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From: Grant Brians <sales at heirloom-organic.com>
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Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:28 pm
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I'll chime in with an ATIS reference on this discussion. It is possible to do
nearly any kind of earth-moving with an antique crawler dozer given a bit of
time. It is possible to do many of same things and some wet material movement
that a dozer cannot really do. A modern excavator can often work faster than an
older one and the same with a modern dozer, but sometimes that is not true and
often the older machine is unimaginably cheaper to purchase and run....
In other words, your mileage will vary based on the type of operator and
the jobs attempted! Personally, I would love to have an excavator or a drag
line, but the size I would need kind of limits me to dreaming. Also, having
learned on a 9N Ford trip bucket loader how to "play" an earth moving machine
many, many years ago I would have no concerns about using an older machine and
it being as efficient.
Remember I have a D8 13A (1953) cable dozer, a D6CSA (1974), a D4 7J
(1941), an RD4G (1937) and an Allis-Chalmers HD-5 (1953) dozer and crawlers are
fun and far more versatile than most people realize.
Grant Brians
Hollister,California vegetable, nuts and fruit farmer
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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
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Agreed Gary. I knew we were both saying about the same thing. Just trying
to get the point across to whomever might be reading.
Charlie
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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:34 PM
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Charlie,
I think we are both on the same page. As I said, if I had a choice and the
money, an excavator would be my selection.
Gary
Renton, WA
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From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, Jun 27, 2012 3:48 am
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Gary, I can't argue with a thing you said there. I've just noticed over
the years that all small contractors used to have a dozer. Now
more and more you see that the small contractors have an excavator and use
it to do the work the dozer was doing. It takes a different
technique to get the job done but generally speaking it's faster with the
excavator. Of course there are things you can only do with the dozer.
Charlie
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I have both dozers and excavators and don't agree Charlie. The push blade
on an excavator is just that, a push blade. The blades are not designed to
do the work a dozer blade and dozer will do. Excavator travel speeds are
generally slower than a dozer even in high speed travel. The hydrostatic
drives on an excavators are not designed to do much more than move the
machine. The business end of an excavator will do a lot of work. A John
Deere 450C dozer in low range first gear is rated to pull 18,050 pounds. In
terms of clearing brush, the excavator is likely a better choice depending
on terrain. On steep hillside a dozer is a better choice. These
comparisons are based on equal weight and horsepower machines. There are
excavators that can pick a JD-450 up in the bucket. There are so many
variables involved including the cost of the machine, it's not easy to make
a decision as to what machine would be the best. I would want to know the
work the machine is expected to do and what the budget will allow. You will
spend at least twice the money for an equivalent excavator here in the NW.
JD-450's are selling for as low as $4,000. These are older machines but
have a lot of life in them. Newer machines are in the 20 to 40 K range.
Gary
Renton WA
30 plus years dozing and excavating business.
Now if you asked me which machine I would choose, I would probably say
excavator. I'm thinking on a ranch a dozer may be the better choice. Would
need to know what the majority of the work would consist of.
An excavator will a small push blade on
it will out work a dozer wish a backhoe on it 2 to 1 in most jobs
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Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:08 pm
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Wayne, I don’t know exactly what you want to do with it so I might be off
base but for speed and utility I'd rather have my money
in a track excavator that a dozer. An excavator will a small push blade on
it will out work a dozer wish a backhoe on it 2 to 1 in most jobs.
I know that doesn't answer your question. I just wanted to throw that out
there for you to consider.
Charlie
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:36 PM
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I have owned a JD-450C dozer for many years-no backhoe attachment. Top
speed listed in the specs is 6.7 MPH. I would not want to spend much time
at that speed, especially if you were operating on rocky ground. The 450 is
a good machine for it's size. I have put several thousand hours on mine. I
have rebuilt the engine and one final drive and put about 3 sets of tracks
and undercarriage on it. I can tell you some of the weak points to look at
if you want to shoot me an off list email. Can't answer any questions about
the backhoe attachment. I do have parts and repair manuals.
Gary
Renton, WA
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From: Snelling, Wayne K <wsnelling at southplainscollege.edu>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:01 am
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I need to purchase/use a backhoe and a dozer on my ranch and saw a JD 450C
with
a blade on the front and a backhoe on the back. Not sure if this would be a
good
combo? Anyone use this combo?
Would the JD 450C be a good investment for occasional use as both
dozer/backhoe.
Curious if I am patient enough to get from spot-to-spot on a ranch/farm that
could require more than a mile to move?
Inquiring minds want to know???
Wayne
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