[AT] John Deere 450C

[k7jdj at aol.com]

I have both dozers and excavators and don't agree Charlie.  The push blade on an excavator is just that, a push blade.  The blades are not designed to do the work a dozer blade and dozer will do. Excavator travel speeds are generally slower than a dozer even in high speed travel.  The hydrostatic drives on an excavators are not designed to do much more than move the machine. The business end of an excavator will do a lot of work.  A John Deere 450C dozer in low range first gear is rated to pull 18,050 pounds. In terms of clearing brush, the excavator is likely a better choice depending on terrain.  On steep hillside a dozer is a better choice.  These comparisons are based on equal weight and horsepower machines.  There are excavators that can pick a JD-450 up in the bucket.  There are so many variables involved including the cost of the machine, it's not easy to make a decision as to what machine would be the best. I would want to know the work the machine is expected to do and what the budget will allow. You will spend at least twice the money for an equivalent excavator here in the NW. JD-450's are selling for as low as $4,000.  These are older machines but have a lot of life in them.  Newer machines are in the 20 to 40 K range.


Gary

Renton WA

30 plus years dozing and excavating business.  

Now if you asked me which machine I would choose, I would probably say excavator.  I'm thinking on a ranch a dozer may be the better choice.  Would need to know what the majority of the work would consist of.  


An excavator will a small push blade on 
it will out work a dozer wish a backhoe on it 2 to 1 in most jobs





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From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C


Wayne,  I don’t know exactly what you want to do with it so I might be off 
base but for speed and utility I'd rather have my money
in a track excavator that a dozer.  An excavator will a small push blade on 
it will out work a dozer wish a backhoe on it 2 to 1 in most jobs.
I know that doesn't answer your question.   I just wanted to throw that out 
there for you to consider.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: k7jdj at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [AT] John Deere 450C

I have owned a JD-450C dozer for many years-no backhoe attachment.  Top 
speed listed in the specs is 6.7 MPH.  I would not want to spend much time 
at that speed, especially if you were operating on rocky ground.  The 450 is 
a good machine for it's size.  I have put several thousand hours on mine.  I 
have rebuilt the engine and one final drive and put about 3 sets of tracks 
and undercarriage on it.  I can tell you some of the weak points to look at 
if you want to shoot me an off list email.  Can't answer any questions about 
the backhoe attachment.  I do have parts and repair manuals.

Gary

Renton, WA



-----Original Message-----
From: Snelling, Wayne K <wsnelling at southplainscollege.edu>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 8:01 am
Subject: [AT] John Deere 450C


I need to purchase/use a backhoe and a dozer on my ranch and saw a JD 450C 
with
a blade on the front and a backhoe on the back. Not sure if this would be a 
good
combo? Anyone use this combo?
Would the JD 450C be a good investment for occasional use as both 
dozer/backhoe.
Curious if I am patient enough to get from spot-to-spot on a ranch/farm that
could require more than a mile to move?
Inquiring minds want to know???
Wayne

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