[AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4

Tue Jan 10 16:12:47 PST 2012

About the only place I know where you can buy the av gas is at an airport. 
Most airports won't sell it to anyone unless they have an aircraft.  The 
feeling there is that the fixed base operators are sticking their necks out 
if you should use the av gas on the road.  Secondly, the av gas is very 
expensive.  At my local airport it is currently selling for about 5.36 per 
gallon.  Your best bet is to find a source to buy the non-ethanol fuel, as 
Mitch suggests.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Sawyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:39 PM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4

Where do you get the aviation fuel?  I'm guessing I just can't go up to the 
airport and buy some.

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On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Mitchell Daly <md31043 at msn.com> wrote:

>
> Not only does the Aviation gas contain some lead, but it is also 
> ethanol-free!! That is a real bonus today, particularly using it in small 
> engines where the ethanol tends to rot the diaphrams and seals. I use it 
> in all of my mowers and chainsaws, etc. Don't need Stabil with it either.
>
> Mitch Daly - md31043 at msn.com
>
>
>
>> From: salisburyw at comcast.net
>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:05:51 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>>
>> HI Rev. Gerber,
>>
>> I agree with your machine shop guru. What causes damage with the valve
>> seats in some engines is the inability to carry away the heat fast 
>> enough.
>> The cylinder heads on these tractor engines are really quite heavily 
>> built
>> and that cast iron will handle any of the heat that these low output 
>> engines
>> are able to generate, even at full throttle under load all day long.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Bill Salisbury
>>
>> PS. I run my old JD 420 only for bush hogging and I do add some 100 LL
>> aviation fuel to my tank to take advantage of the lead content of that 
>> fuel.
>> The 100 LL has about 4 times the amount of lead in it that auto fuel used 
>> to
>> have in it, so running a 25/75% ratio of that leaded fuel, provides 
>> plenty
>> of lead in the gas. -----And sometimes I don't add any. This AV gas is
>> getting very expensive.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: David R. Gerber
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:28 PM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>>
>> My machine shop guru claims there is no need to put hardened valve seats 
>> in
>> any 2 cylinder engine, unless of course the valve seats need replaced
>> anyway. Reason: the hardened valve seats are only needed in high rpm
>> performance engines because the unleaded gas burns a little hotter, and 
>> over
>> time damages the valve seats. Never going to be the case in the low rpm
>> engines. He has rebuilt several motors for me, and all continue to 
>> perform
>> without flaw, without hardened valve seats. His recommendations are
>> different with the four, six, and eight cylinder engines.
>>
>> Rev. Gerber
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michael
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 5:29 PM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>>
>> I believe that the issue of lead and engine valves is a myth. Amoco ( now
>> part of BP) premium gasoline ALWAYS has been unleaded. I easily recall 
>> the
>> introduction of the Oldsmobile and Cadillac overhead valve V-8 engines in
>> 1949. The largest and most powerful previous engine for Oldsmobile was
>> straight-8 used from 1937 to 1948 inclusive. Not considered high 
>> performance
>>
>> nor high compression. The V-8 was, relatively speaking, a powerhouse. 
>> Owners
>>
>> seeking the best from the engine often used Amoco Premium- unleaded. 
>> Amoco
>> even often pictured the Oldsmobile in their ads. I knew some owners who 
>> used
>>
>> the Amoco Premium exclusively. I never ever heard of valve problems
>> resulting and some of those cars were driven very hard.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "E. Thatcher" <ethatche at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:30 PM
>> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>>
>>>
>>> I guess it depends on how much you are set on owning something green and
>>> yellow and what size will fit your needs. LP and Diesel wil get around
>>> the problems associated with extended use of no-lead gas in older 
>>> engines
>>> although fuel additives or an overhaul to modify the valve train for
>>> unleaded gas can work. Allis D-17 and XT series are versitile, 
>>> economical
>>
>>> to operate and in the case of the D-17, easy to work on. Diesels are
>>> available although not common with the D-17. Oliver 1600 through 1800
>>> series and newer, Minneapolis Moline M5 and newer series, Case 730 and
>>> 830, IHC 706 and 806, and Massey Ferguson 85, super 90 and 165 and 185
>>> all will handle at least 4 bottom mounted plows and most will have three
>>> point hitch. We switched after years of two cylinder Deeres to an MF 85
>>> back when my Dad an I were farming together in the mid 60's through the
>>> eighties and never regretted the move. The MF 85 had the Ferguson System
>>> hydraulics and three point hitch and pulled a 5-14!
>>> fully mounted plow like a top. Even though it was a gas model, it was
>>> very economical to operated and easy to maintain, just right for small 
>>> to
>>> medium sized farm. Good luck with your search. Eric ThatcherSt. Charles,
>>
>>> MO
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>>>> Subject: Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
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>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:00:01 -0500
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>>>> 1. Re: Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1; Ad Posting (Troy)
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>>>> From: Troy <tbogdan1 at earthlink.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1; Ad
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>>>> Thanks for the insight Eric,
>>>>
>>>> As I have gotten no responses, I don't have to make any choices yet. I
>>>> have been looking for the right tractor for a few years now off and on,
>>>> and have yet to actually find one that I can afford, or is in good
>>>> condition. Thanks again, Troy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "E. Thatcher" <ethatche at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Jan 4, 2012 5:19 PM
>>>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1; Ad 
>>>>> Posting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been awhile since I posted on the site but I still read the
>>>>> postings from time-to-time. Regarding moving to purchase a diesel JD; 
>>>>> a
>>
>>>>> 720 or 730 in good condition with factory three point hitch and with 
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>> remote hydraulic cylinder included would be a great choice if you 
>>>>> intend
>>
>>>>> to stay with the cylinder models. I would prefer the electric start to
>>>>> the pony start models but that might narrow your choices too much.
>>>>> Although I'm a life-long two-cylinder fan and have farmed with four of
>>>>> them over the years since I was a kid (a "B", two "A's" and a "G"), I
>>>>> would urge you to consider a 3020D or 4020D or newer model of similar
>>>>> size range if you're going to depend on it for real work over time. 
>>>>> The
>>
>>>>> 3020D will deliver the better economy of the two and will still pull
>>>>> 3-16's or 4-14's anywhere you want and has a more versitile 
>>>>> transmission
>>
>>>>> and hydraulics than the two cylinder models' replacements, the the 
>>>>> "10"
>>>>> series and their successor the "20" series.
>>>>> Eric ThatcherSt. Charles, MO
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