[AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4

Paul Sawyer mustangpaul at gmail.com
Tue Jan 10 14:39:18 PST 2012 

Where do you get the aviation fuel?  I'm guessing I just can't go up to the airport and buy some. 

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On Jan 10, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Mitchell Daly <md31043 at msn.com> wrote:

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> Not only does the Aviation gas contain some lead, but it is also ethanol-free!! That is a real bonus today, particularly using it in small engines where the ethanol tends to rot the diaphrams and seals. I use it in all of my mowers and chainsaws, etc. Don't need Stabil with it either.
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> Mitch Daly - md31043 at msn.com
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>> From: salisburyw at comcast.net
>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:05:51 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>> 
>> HI Rev. Gerber,
>> 
>> I agree with your machine shop guru. What causes damage with the valve 
>> seats in some engines is the inability to carry away the heat fast enough. 
>> The cylinder heads on these tractor engines are really quite heavily built 
>> and that cast iron will handle any of the heat that these low output engines 
>> are able to generate, even at full throttle under load all day long.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Bill Salisbury
>> 
>> PS. I run my old JD 420 only for bush hogging and I do add some 100 LL 
>> aviation fuel to my tank to take advantage of the lead content of that fuel. 
>> The 100 LL has about 4 times the amount of lead in it that auto fuel used to 
>> have in it, so running a 25/75% ratio of that leaded fuel, provides plenty 
>> of lead in the gas. -----And sometimes I don't add any. This AV gas is 
>> getting very expensive.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: David R. Gerber
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:28 PM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>> 
>> My machine shop guru claims there is no need to put hardened valve seats in
>> any 2 cylinder engine, unless of course the valve seats need replaced
>> anyway. Reason: the hardened valve seats are only needed in high rpm
>> performance engines because the unleaded gas burns a little hotter, and over
>> time damages the valve seats. Never going to be the case in the low rpm
>> engines. He has rebuilt several motors for me, and all continue to perform
>> without flaw, without hardened valve seats. His recommendations are
>> different with the four, six, and eight cylinder engines.
>> 
>> Rev. Gerber
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michael
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 5:29 PM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>> 
>> I believe that the issue of lead and engine valves is a myth. Amoco ( now
>> part of BP) premium gasoline ALWAYS has been unleaded. I easily recall the
>> introduction of the Oldsmobile and Cadillac overhead valve V-8 engines in
>> 1949. The largest and most powerful previous engine for Oldsmobile was
>> straight-8 used from 1937 to 1948 inclusive. Not considered high performance
>> 
>> nor high compression. The V-8 was, relatively speaking, a powerhouse. Owners
>> 
>> seeking the best from the engine often used Amoco Premium- unleaded. Amoco
>> even often pictured the Oldsmobile in their ads. I knew some owners who used
>> 
>> the Amoco Premium exclusively. I never ever heard of valve problems
>> resulting and some of those cars were driven very hard.
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "E. Thatcher" <ethatche at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:30 PM
>> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>> 
>>> 
>>> I guess it depends on how much you are set on owning something green and
>>> yellow and what size will fit your needs. LP and Diesel wil get around
>>> the problems associated with extended use of no-lead gas in older engines
>>> although fuel additives or an overhaul to modify the valve train for
>>> unleaded gas can work. Allis D-17 and XT series are versitile, economical
>> 
>>> to operate and in the case of the D-17, easy to work on. Diesels are
>>> available although not common with the D-17. Oliver 1600 through 1800
>>> series and newer, Minneapolis Moline M5 and newer series, Case 730 and
>>> 830, IHC 706 and 806, and Massey Ferguson 85, super 90 and 165 and 185
>>> all will handle at least 4 bottom mounted plows and most will have three
>>> point hitch. We switched after years of two cylinder Deeres to an MF 85
>>> back when my Dad an I were farming together in the mid 60's through the
>>> eighties and never regretted the move. The MF 85 had the Ferguson System
>>> hydraulics and three point hitch and pulled a 5-14!
>>> fully mounted plow like a top. Even though it was a gas model, it was
>>> very economical to operated and easy to maintain, just right for small to
>>> medium sized farm. Good luck with your search. Eric ThatcherSt. Charles,
>> 
>>> MO
>>>> From: antique-johndeere-request at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> Subject: Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4
>>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:00:01 -0500
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>>>> 1. Re: Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1; Ad Posting (Troy)
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>>>> From: Troy <tbogdan1 at earthlink.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1; Ad
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>>>> Thanks for the insight Eric,
>>>> 
>>>> As I have gotten no responses, I don't have to make any choices yet. I
>>>> have been looking for the right tractor for a few years now off and on,
>>>> and have yet to actually find one that I can afford, or is in good
>>>> condition. Thanks again, Troy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "E. Thatcher" <ethatche at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Jan 4, 2012 5:19 PM
>>>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Antique-johndeere Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1; Ad Posting
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's been awhile since I posted on the site but I still read the
>>>>> postings from time-to-time. Regarding moving to purchase a diesel JD; a
>> 
>>>>> 720 or 730 in good condition with factory three point hitch and with the
>> 
>>>>> remote hydraulic cylinder included would be a great choice if you intend
>> 
>>>>> to stay with the cylinder models. I would prefer the electric start to
>>>>> the pony start models but that might narrow your choices too much.
>>>>> Although I'm a life-long two-cylinder fan and have farmed with four of
>>>>> them over the years since I was a kid (a "B", two "A's" and a "G"), I
>>>>> would urge you to consider a 3020D or 4020D or newer model of similar
>>>>> size range if you're going to depend on it for real work over time. The
>> 
>>>>> 3020D will deliver the better economy of the two and will still pull
>>>>> 3-16's or 4-14's anywhere you want and has a more versitile transmission
>> 
>>>>> and hydraulics than the two cylinder models' replacements, the the "10"
>>>>> series and their successor the "20" series.
>>>>> Eric ThatcherSt. Charles, MO
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