[AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft

Thu Feb 16 08:37:11 PST 2012

    Been watching this thread and it seems to me it only binds when 
completely retracted then frees up as soon as it is moved?Tthen works 
nornally through the rest of the travel. Should there be a shim washer to 
prevent it from retracting too far?

            Gene


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft


>I was more concerned about graphite getting into the starter motor, not the
> engine; I think I wrote that in a confusing manner.  I guess I need to get
> some of that Never Seize since I have heard quite a few good things about
> it.
>
> I do have the old drive from my old starter, and I may just try to switch
> that drive into the new starter.  I hadn't thought of that idea, Charlie,
> so you may have just pointed me in the right direction!
>
> Ben Wagner
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:14 AM, charlie hill 
> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Ben,  the easiest fix is to put a new starter drive on it.  If that's not
>> an
>> option and you can disassemble the drive you have do so, clean it well 
>> and
>> sand the contact surfaces with fine emery cloth, clean it well and put it
>> back together.    As far as the graphite goes.  I'm no Farmall expert but 
>> I
>> don't think there is any path for anything coming off the starter drive 
>> to
>> get inside the engine. It would have to get past the rear crank seal to 
>> do
>> that.  If your rear seal is leaking that bad you've problems beyond what
>> you
>> are working on.  I wouldn't hesitate to try graphite.  Even if it could 
>> get
>> in the engine I don't think a small quantity of it would hurt a thing. 
>> If
>> it was mine I'd still be willing to try Never Seize even though the
>> conventional wisdom here says no.  I'd put some on and wipe most of it 
>> back
>> off.  Believe me you can't get it all off without a lot of effort, 
>> solvent
>> and rags.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Wagner
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:45 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>>
>> I had heard the same thing Larry had mentioned, but I have to agree with
>> everyone else that the current dry, clean state of the starter drive is 
>> not
>> allow it to work like it should.  All I am concerned about is preventing
>> anything dangerous for the motor from getting near my motor.
>>
>> I'm inclined to try the graphite, but I hesitate to put anything like 
>> that
>> near the motor.  Wouldn't graphite cause the motor trouble if it found 
>> its
>> way into the case?
>>
>> What about a little WD-40 on the shaft where the gear gets stuck?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, charlie hill
>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > very well could be right Larry.  Maybe all Ben needs to do is spray his
>> > down
>> > with carb cleaner or something, add a little graphite and put it back
>> > together.  I'm a big fan of never seize but maybe this isn't a good
>> > application for it.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Larry Goss
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:50 PM
>> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>> >
>> > Humm.  This is an interesting thread. I thought starter Bendixes were
>> > supposed to be clean and dry -- that putting anything on them would 
>> > only
>> > work temporarily,and was an invitation to a sticking drive.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <
>> at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > >
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:59:32 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>> >
>> > Actually I guess it's graphite in Never Seize and not metal as I said 
>> > but
>> > you have a point about the grease component.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: charlie hill
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:19 PM
>> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>> >
>> > Mike you may well be right.  I was thinking that the metal particles in
>> > never seize would do the trick.  Graphite might be better.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Mike Sloane
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:00 PM
>> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>> >
>> > I would be inclined to use something that won't trap dirt. I use
>> > powdered graphite for stuff like that. I know that all the instructions
>> > for starter drives say not to use any lubrication.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> > > Ben, next time you pull it out and free it paint the shaft with
>> > anti-seize
>> > > compound (Never-Seize) and see if that helps.
>> > > I've had the same thing happen before on some AC stuff.   I don't 
>> > > know
>> > > that
>> > > the Never Seize will fix it but it won't cost you much to find out.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe someone has a better answer or idea.
>> > >
>> > > Charlie
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Ben Wagner
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:49 PM
>> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; Farmall/IHC mailing list
>> > > Subject: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>> > >
>> > > Good afternoon,
>> > >
>> > > I was wondering if anyone else has any trouble with a starter gear
>> > > "sticking" to the shaft, not allowing the gear to go forward and 
>> > > engage
>> > > the
>> > > ring gear.  I have a new starter on the Super A, purchased about two
>> > years
>> > > ago, used minimally like most restored tractors, and this issue keeps
>> > > happening predictably.
>> > >
>> > > I have pulled the starter many times, and each time I have to knock 
>> > > the
>> > > gear lose with a punch and a hammer.  The gear is always stuck at the
>> > back
>> > > of the threaded shaft.  The shaft, or the gear, has no burrs to catch
>> > > the
>> > > gear and hold it; burrs around that area was one of the first things 
>> > > I
>> > > checked.
>> > >
>> > > If you have had this issue on your starter, what have you done to 
>> > > keep
>> > > this
>> > > from happening?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Ben Wagner
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