[AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft

Thu Feb 16 07:55:21 PST 2012

You all know all about the red neck tool kit -- duct tape and WD-40 (I'll let you all complete the punch line of the joke) but there are some items that are never supposed to have any lubricant.  Camera shutter leaves and a starter Bendix are two of them.

But having said that -- Yeah, I can't live without anti-seize.

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:26:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft

I was more concerned about graphite getting into the starter motor, not the
engine; I think I wrote that in a confusing manner.  I guess I need to get
some of that Never Seize since I have heard quite a few good things about
it.

I do have the old drive from my old starter, and I may just try to switch
that drive into the new starter.  I hadn't thought of that idea, Charlie,
so you may have just pointed me in the right direction!

Ben Wagner

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:14 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:

> Ben,  the easiest fix is to put a new starter drive on it.  If that's not
> an
> option and you can disassemble the drive you have do so, clean it well and
> sand the contact surfaces with fine emery cloth, clean it well and put it
> back together.    As far as the graphite goes.  I'm no Farmall expert but I
> don't think there is any path for anything coming off the starter drive to
> get inside the engine. It would have to get past the rear crank seal to do
> that.  If your rear seal is leaking that bad you've problems beyond what
> you
> are working on.  I wouldn't hesitate to try graphite.  Even if it could get
> in the engine I don't think a small quantity of it would hurt a thing.  If
> it was mine I'd still be willing to try Never Seize even though the
> conventional wisdom here says no.  I'd put some on and wipe most of it back
> off.  Believe me you can't get it all off without a lot of effort, solvent
> and rags.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Wagner
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:45 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
>
> I had heard the same thing Larry had mentioned, but I have to agree with
> everyone else that the current dry, clean state of the starter drive is not
> allow it to work like it should.  All I am concerned about is preventing
> anything dangerous for the motor from getting near my motor.
>
> I'm inclined to try the graphite, but I hesitate to put anything like that
> near the motor.  Wouldn't graphite cause the motor trouble if it found its
> way into the case?
>
> What about a little WD-40 on the shaft where the gear gets stuck?
>
> Ben Wagner
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, charlie hill
> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>
> > very well could be right Larry.  Maybe all Ben needs to do is spray his
> > down
> > with carb cleaner or something, add a little graphite and put it back
> > together.  I'm a big fan of never seize but maybe this isn't a good
> > application for it.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Goss
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:50 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
> >
> > Humm.  This is an interesting thread. I thought starter Bendixes were
> > supposed to be clean and dry -- that putting anything on them would only
> > work temporarily,and was an invitation to a sticking drive.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <
> at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > >
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:59:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
> >
> > Actually I guess it's graphite in Never Seize and not metal as I said but
> > you have a point about the grease component.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: charlie hill
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:19 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
> >
> > Mike you may well be right.  I was thinking that the metal particles in
> > never seize would do the trick.  Graphite might be better.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Sloane
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:00 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
> >
> > I would be inclined to use something that won't trap dirt. I use
> > powdered graphite for stuff like that. I know that all the instructions
> > for starter drives say not to use any lubrication.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 2/15/2012 3:06 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> > > Ben, next time you pull it out and free it paint the shaft with
> > anti-seize
> > > compound (Never-Seize) and see if that helps.
> > > I've had the same thing happen before on some AC stuff.   I don't know
> > > that
> > > the Never Seize will fix it but it won't cost you much to find out.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone has a better answer or idea.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ben Wagner
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:49 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; Farmall/IHC mailing list
> > > Subject: [AT] Starter Gear Sticking On Shaft
> > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has any trouble with a starter gear
> > > "sticking" to the shaft, not allowing the gear to go forward and engage
> > > the
> > > ring gear.  I have a new starter on the Super A, purchased about two
> > years
> > > ago, used minimally like most restored tractors, and this issue keeps
> > > happening predictably.
> > >
> > > I have pulled the starter many times, and each time I have to knock the
> > > gear lose with a punch and a hammer.  The gear is always stuck at the
> > back
> > > of the threaded shaft.  The shaft, or the gear, has no burrs to catch
> > > the
> > > gear and hold it; burrs around that area was one of the first things I
> > > checked.
> > >
> > > If you have had this issue on your starter, what have you done to keep
> > > this
> > > from happening?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ben Wagner
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