[AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread

[charlie hill]

John,  it makes my hand want to fold up and hide when I remember this but 
I'll share it.   I guess my grandfather was in his late 70's or early 80's. 
He was baling hay with his old 2 wire baler (I think it was an IH, as far as 
I know all of his equipment was) jammed up.  I don't know the exact details 
but he reached in it to pull out something that was clogging it up and the 
thing sewed a loop of wire through his hand.  It cut off part of his thumb 
and took out part of a couple of bones in the middle of his hand.  Other 
that loosing part of the thumb he healed up ok and had no long term problems 
with it that I know of.  For several weeks he had to wear a metal frame that 
looked like a small basketball hoop around his hand as if his hand was 
enclosed in a disc or plate.  It was all open except a few wires and some 
tape but it was a strange looking rig.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: john hall
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:51 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread

Interesting stuff Grant! Never heard of 3 wire balers much less one with a
Deutz engine. I only knew of one fellow here that used wire tie. Back in the
'80's he baled a lot of pine straw in the eastern part of the state. He used
wire tie balers--I think they were Case (not Case-IH).

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Brians" <sales at heirloom-organic.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:54 PM
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> Here in California, there are two types of balers that are used for many
> years. The large rectangular balers that bale a bale of about a ton of hay
> (Alfalfa, Sudan Grass) or less of straw for the mushroom operations and
> such
> and the small rectangular balers. My baler is an old (1984) New Holland
> 505
> three wire baler. Nearly all of the three twine balers (as no one buys
> wire
> balers new because of the concern about metal in dairy feed) are powered
> by
> Deutz air colled diesel engines on the baler. This allows flexibility as
> to
> speed of operation, lighter tow vehicles (either a tractor or many are
> towed
> by jeeps in the alfalfa in the central valley as they can drive fast and
> the
> four wheel drive allows passing through slightly moist areas) and better
> control of bale shape. In the old days before the poly twine came along,
> 99%
> of baling was with wire bales. Now it is probably near 99% twine baling.
>     There were a very few two wire balers sold here in California, nearly
> all to farms in mountainous areas. But an odd thing has happened as people
> have gotten fatter and less fit, starting about 20 years ago there started
> to be a few operations that started baling horse hay in two twine bales
> again with around 80# weight. Those balers also have engines on them for
> the
> same reasons cited above. Returning to the large square balers, those are
> PTO powered by 160-190HP FWA tractors as they are only sold with PTO drive
> and also you do need a heavy tractor to operate them because the weight of
> the baler combined with two bales of about 1 ton each can't efficiently be
> dealt with using a light tractor.
>     The Deutz powered New Holland balers make up over 90% of the new
> regular bale balers sold in California and Arizona. They used to be
> manufactured in Bakersfield, but I have no idea where they are built today
> after the factory here closed. It made sense to me that they were made
> here
> in California as our state and other western states makes up all of the
> non-export market for these types of balers, the swathers that are used
> and
> much of the market for high-speed wide rakes as well.
>           Grant Brians
>           Hollister,California farmer of vegetables, fruit and nuts
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of john hall
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:30 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread
>
>
> What kind of baler are you running that is that new with an engine? Is it
> factory or an Amish conversion?
>
> John Hall
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Brians" <sales at heirloom-organic.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:02 PM
> Subject: [AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread
>
>
>> Of the two current threads going on ATIS right now I have some comments
>> as
>> an active farmer. All of the tractors we have that we use hard (so not
>> including the cultivating and pipe usage) that are pre 1995 do the fire
>> type
>> exhaust on them. I myself have run without lights working ground at night
>> and red exhaust so many times I wcould not count them. When it is the
>> most
>> exciting is with the Baler and its Wisconsin V4 gasoline engine (vintage
>> 1984.) To see that running red exhaust and with the aircooled engine
>> knowing
>> it is hot too while the nighttime air temperature is in the 50's is
>> pretty
>> impressive and a small concern....
>>
>>           Grant Brians
>>           Hollister,California Vegetable, Fruit and Nuts farmer
>>
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