[AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread

john hall jtchall at nc.rr.com
Tue Oct 11 18:51:46 PDT 2011


Interesting stuff Grant! Never heard of 3 wire balers much less one with a 
Deutz engine. I only knew of one fellow here that used wire tie. Back in the 
'80's he baled a lot of pine straw in the eastern part of the state. He used 
wire tie balers--I think they were Case (not Case-IH).

John Hall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Brians" <sales at heirloom-organic.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread


> Here in California, there are two types of balers that are used for many
> years. The large rectangular balers that bale a bale of about a ton of hay
> (Alfalfa, Sudan Grass) or less of straw for the mushroom operations and 
> such
> and the small rectangular balers. My baler is an old (1984) New Holland 
> 505
> three wire baler. Nearly all of the three twine balers (as no one buys 
> wire
> balers new because of the concern about metal in dairy feed) are powered 
> by
> Deutz air colled diesel engines on the baler. This allows flexibility as 
> to
> speed of operation, lighter tow vehicles (either a tractor or many are 
> towed
> by jeeps in the alfalfa in the central valley as they can drive fast and 
> the
> four wheel drive allows passing through slightly moist areas) and better
> control of bale shape. In the old days before the poly twine came along, 
> 99%
> of baling was with wire bales. Now it is probably near 99% twine baling.
>     There were a very few two wire balers sold here in California, nearly
> all to farms in mountainous areas. But an odd thing has happened as people
> have gotten fatter and less fit, starting about 20 years ago there started
> to be a few operations that started baling horse hay in two twine bales
> again with around 80# weight. Those balers also have engines on them for 
> the
> same reasons cited above. Returning to the large square balers, those are
> PTO powered by 160-190HP FWA tractors as they are only sold with PTO drive
> and also you do need a heavy tractor to operate them because the weight of
> the baler combined with two bales of about 1 ton each can't efficiently be
> dealt with using a light tractor.
>     The Deutz powered New Holland balers make up over 90% of the new
> regular bale balers sold in California and Arizona. They used to be
> manufactured in Bakersfield, but I have no idea where they are built today
> after the factory here closed. It made sense to me that they were made 
> here
> in California as our state and other western states makes up all of the
> non-export market for these types of balers, the swathers that are used 
> and
> much of the market for high-speed wide rakes as well.
>           Grant Brians
>           Hollister,California farmer of vegetables, fruit and nuts
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of john hall
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:30 PM
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>
>
> What kind of baler are you running that is that new with an engine? Is it
> factory or an Amish conversion?
>
> John Hall
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Brians" <sales at heirloom-organic.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:02 PM
> Subject: [AT] Long Days Farming and exhaust thread
>
>
>> Of the two current threads going on ATIS right now I have some comments 
>> as
>> an active farmer. All of the tractors we have that we use hard (so not
>> including the cultivating and pipe usage) that are pre 1995 do the fire
>> type
>> exhaust on them. I myself have run without lights working ground at night
>> and red exhaust so many times I wcould not count them. When it is the 
>> most
>> exciting is with the Baler and its Wisconsin V4 gasoline engine (vintage
>> 1984.) To see that running red exhaust and with the aircooled engine
>> knowing
>> it is hot too while the nighttime air temperature is in the 50's is 
>> pretty
>> impressive and a small concern....
>>
>>           Grant Brians
>>           Hollister,California Vegetable, Fruit and Nuts farmer
>>
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