[AT] Restriction on selling raw milk...JD "B"

Wed May 4 12:35:18 PDT 2011

Dean brings up some excellent points that make a lot of sense.  The
other thing that has nagged my thoughts throughout this thread is that
during many of out lifetimes, average life expectancy has increased
some twenty years or more.  It could be said that someone is doing
something better than 100 years ago.

To be honest with myself, I think pasteurized milk is best for the
general population, but have nothing against raw milk if that is what
someone wants to drink.  Considering some of the choices with bubbles,
drinking milk is not a bad thing for most people.

Here is a little background on pasteurizing for anyone interested.

Pasteurization is a process of heating a food, usually liquid, to a
specific temperature for a definite length of time, and then cooling
it immediately. This process slows microbial growth in food. The
process of heating wine to preserve it longer was known in China since
AD.1117,[1] and is documented in Japan in 1568 in the diary
Tamonin-nikki, but the modern version was created by the French
chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur, after whom it is named. The
first pasteurization test was completed by Louis Pasteur and Claude
Bernard in April 1862.[2] The process was originally conceived as a
way of preventing wine and beer from souring.[3]

Unlike sterilization, pasteurization is not intended to kill all
micro-organisms in the food. Instead pasteurization aims to reduce the
number of viable pathogens so they are unlikely to cause disease
(assuming the pasteurized product is stored as indicated and consumed
before its expiration date). Commercial-scale sterilization of food is
not common because it adversely affects the taste and quality of the
product. Certain food products, like dairy products, are superheated
to ensure pathogenic microbes are destroyed.[4]

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
> I've heard the story that warm milk was bad for cats all the way back to when I was born under a milk cow. I spent way too much time hand milking cows and yes I fed cats right from the teat and also myself repeatedly. It really stunted my growth at 6' 3" and dramatically shortened my lifespan which at present is 71 years. I recall having a cistern (rain water) which was used for soft water such as washing, etc that had to have dead rats removed from occasionally. Drank raw milk at the dinner table for years. Had raw cream on cereal and other deserts that today would cause us to gain a lb a day.
>
> But I would like to caution that today's environment isn't the same as then. We were raised on this stuff from infancy, our bodies developed resistance and antibodies to what people today would call filthy environments.  We got used to it and lived quite well thank you. But many of the kids today and even many adults have lived in a much cleaner, more disease free environment and have not developed the resistance and antibodies to what may occur in raw milk today. And also remember the cows are being fed way different feed than they were 50/60  years ago.  So I think we have to be careful about possibly comparing apples and oranges. But,  I'm not sure that the environment that a 4000 cow dairy herd has today is all that much healthier than what our small 5 to 10 cow dairy herds had.  We survived quite well in the 40's and 50's because we adapted to the environment over several years. To suddenly expose that same environment to today's population probably would offer considerably different results.
>
> Dean VP
> Snohomish, WA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:20 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Restriction on selling raw milk...JD "B"
>
> Well Charlie I have to defend Steve to a degree.  He grew up in the city, went off to college to be a computer geek and worked part time at a pet store.  When the store owner decided to sell out he quit college and bought it.  That is his entire life experience and all he knows is what he's been
> told by the pet industry and big city vets.   He didn't have the advantage
> of growing up with real life experiences like many of us did. He's good at what he does, primarily aquariums and exotic fish but beyond that and being a good dad and a pretty good cook he's mostly useless.  grins.
>
> By the way the only remaining dairy in our area is Maola which is now part of some big co-op dairy out of PA or maybe NY but they still have a plant here.  Back in the day when they had local dairy farms providing their milk they were 100% Guernsey and they featured that in their
> ads.   That’s some fine milk!
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie V
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:51 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Restriction on selling raw milk...JD "B"
>
> Lactose intolerant!!!  When I encounter guys like that I become people intolerant.
>
> Let me tell a story as I understand it of my very early days on this earth.  While I was being carried,  Mom was in very poor health (later had part of her thyroid removed).  I guess I can do that to people.
> Due to her health Mom was not able to nurse me.  The going deal for formula in that day was Pet milk from a can.  It turned out that every time I was fed the formula, it went sour and came right back up.
> Being concerned that I was loosing weight rather than gaining, and out of worry, my parents decided to take the bull (or in this case, cow) by the horns. Dad had a good amount of milk processing experience, having worked in dairys and being part owner of one.  Because of my being an infant, they took milk from our Guernsey cow and held it at the proper temperature on the stove for the proper time to pasteurize it.  At the start two oz. were added to each bottle of formula.  I did better.  Every day or two, more milk was added and less formula out of a can.  The more milk, the better I did.  Within a week or so, I was a straight Guernsey man.  When I was checked by the pediatrician, my weight was up good and the Doc was all smiles.  Mom and Dad never told him that his recommended formula was not the reason for my good health.  Later in my boyhood, we all drank the raw Guernsey milk, buttermilk (with lots of salt) and made at home butter.  I used to like to pump the wooden handle up and down on the old crock churn.
>
> As a toddler, I had to be taken to the barn with Mom when she did the morning milking as no one else was home.  I would squat against the wall four or five feet from the cow with my mouth wide open and Mom would shoot milk fresh from the udder at me.  I usually ended up with some on my face, but most of that good warm milk from old Brownie actually ended up in my mouth.  One of the benefits of being a "big mouth".
>
> Mom was always fun to be with.
>
> Nuff said,
>
> Charlie V.
>
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>
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> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:52 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> Ralph every dairy barn I ever remember going in (not really that many
>> but a
>> few) had barn cats and they always seemed to hang around the person
>> milking in hopes of getting a squirt.
>> I know my grandfathers dairy barn had plenty of cats.  I never saw any
>> of them being fed except for mice and birds they killed and bad milk
>> that was poured out for them.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ralph Goff
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:35 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Restriction on selling raw milk...JD "B"
>>
>> On 5/4/2011 8:05 AM, Ken Knierim wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:11 PM, charlie
>>> hill<charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same here Wayne.  I've told lots of folks that ham meat, milk and eggs
>>>> killed my grandfather.  He was 95 when it got him.   grins.
>>>> I got news for you though.  A friend of mine who owns a pet store
>>>> tells me that cats are lactose intolerant and shouldn't be fed milk.
>>>> It'll make them sick!
>>>> Yep he really told me that!  LMAO
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh, wow... what a crock! Cats are lactose intolerant? Ha! I had a cat
>>> get trapped in my shop (didn't know he was there when I locked it
>>> up). After a couple days he lapped up some antifreeze. I gave him
>>> milk as the poison antidote but we thought he was a goner. He's still
>>> here 7 years later...
>>> I
>>> credit the milk with saving him.
>>>
>>> I'd have to say that a little knowledge is dangerous for some folks.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Ken in AZ
>>>
>> Back when we milked cows, the barn cats drank milk twice a day every
>> day of their lives and never seemed to suffer any ill effects. Lactose
>> intolerant? I doubt it.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>>
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