[AT] sprinkler systems

[Bob McNitt]

Dan - I can understand new residences, but this one also would've 
covered existing older ones prior to being offered for sale.
Bob

On 3/6/2011 8:54 PM, Dan Folske wrote:
> I'm a 20 year firefighter and almost every fire related magazine I see has
> an article or two about the need for sprinklers in residential housing. In
> some jurisdictions the reduction in your fire insurance premiums would pay
> the installation cost back within a few years on new home construction.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McNitt
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:04 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>
> Charlie - You got it!!! Here they were considering mandating sprinkler
> systems in residential homes. This has gotten insane.
>
> Bob in CNY
>
> On 3/6/2011 7:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Guys the brilliant politicians that run this country now are trying to
>> push
>> through a bill that will require everyone to bring their house up to
>> current
>> code before they can sell it.
>> No they can't escrow the funds for the new buyer to fix it.  It would have
>> to be fixed to be sold.   That includes plumbing, electrical, HVAC,
>> windows,
>> insulation, green roofing materials (that aren't even current law yet),
>> energy efficient appliances, air infiltration (loss and gain) and probably
>> some other stuff I've forgotten.  By my estimate (as a certified
>> appraiser)
>> most houses over 30 years old wouldn't be worth fixing.   As far as I know
>> that proposal has been beat back for now but it's out there and some folks
>> want it bad enough that I'm sure they will try to hide it in the law
>> somewhere before it is all over.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck Bealke
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:23 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>>
>> On 3/5/2011 9:14 PM, Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You understand completely, Ralph.  REALLY completely!  It's the most
>>> frustrating thing you can imagine.  The old tubes were efficient, just
>>> not
>>> as efficient as someone wanted us to be.  So we've got to go through and
>>> change out everything.  When I changed the incandescent emergency exit
>>> lights at the church over to CFL's, I did the calculation on power
>>> savings
>>> alone and found that we amortized the complete cost of the changeover in
>>> less than one year.  But the congregation doesn't understand the full
>>> meaning of what I say when I tell them that the infrastructure of the
>>> church isn't worth our efforts to save it.  None of it was built to code.
>>> Even though it is only around 50 years old, everything has to be
>>> replaced -- all the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, septic, parking lot
>>> paving, outdoor drainage, concrete floor, single glazed windows with
>>> steel
>>> casement frames,  --- everything.  The sound system stopped working about
>>> a dozen years ago because the insulation rotted off th!
>> e copper wires of the 70 volt audio output.  It's all in steel electrical
>> conduit, so it shorts out very easily.  But it's NOT just a job for
>> pulling
>> out the old wire and pulling in new.  All the original conduit was
>> undersized, and you can't pull anything out to replace it because the new
>> stuff is larger in diameter and won't even fit the existing space.  It's a
>> good example for why nothing should ever be left up to a committee.
>>> Larry
>> Ralph and Larry,
>>
>> Code changes over time that render church structures non-code compliant
>> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant topic.  I have been on
>> the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven years.
>> It has been an education on building inspectors finding fault with what
>> was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met all the
>> applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality building.  As
>> you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
>> membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area have closed or
>> are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire protection equipment
>> come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
>> church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a school on
>> property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes overhead.  Hope the
>> changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
>> discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  Will check it
>> out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>>
>>
>> _|___\  __
>> |_____/    \          ~ Chuck Bealke ~ Dallas ~
>> (  )       \__/
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