[AT] sprinkler systems

[charlie hill]

I personally don't object to requiring sprinklers in NEW housing.  Like you 
said, I think it will pay for it's self quickly in insurance savings and it 
will certainly save property and lives.
That is a totally different issue than requiring a homeowner to turn a 60+ 
year old house into a "green", low energy house before they can sell it. 
Hopefully

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Folske
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:54 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: [AT] sprinkler systems

I'm a 20 year firefighter and almost every fire related magazine I see has
an article or two about the need for sprinklers in residential housing. In
some jurisdictions the reduction in your fire insurance premiums would pay
the installation cost back within a few years on new home construction.

Dan

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bob McNitt
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:04 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes

Charlie - You got it!!! Here they were considering mandating sprinkler
systems in residential homes. This has gotten insane.

Bob in CNY

On 3/6/2011 7:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Guys the brilliant politicians that run this country now are trying to
> push
> through a bill that will require everyone to bring their house up to
> current
> code before they can sell it.
> No they can't escrow the funds for the new buyer to fix it.  It would have
> to be fixed to be sold.   That includes plumbing, electrical, HVAC,
> windows,
> insulation, green roofing materials (that aren't even current law yet),
> energy efficient appliances, air infiltration (loss and gain) and probably
> some other stuff I've forgotten.  By my estimate (as a certified
> appraiser)
> most houses over 30 years old wouldn't be worth fixing.   As far as I know
> that proposal has been beat back for now but it's out there and some folks
> want it bad enough that I'm sure they will try to hide it in the law
> somewhere before it is all over.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Bealke
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:23 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>
> On 3/5/2011 9:14 PM, Larry Goss wrote:
>> You understand completely, Ralph.  REALLY completely!  It's the most
>> frustrating thing you can imagine.  The old tubes were efficient, just
>> not
>> as efficient as someone wanted us to be.  So we've got to go through and
>> change out everything.  When I changed the incandescent emergency exit
>> lights at the church over to CFL's, I did the calculation on power
>> savings
>> alone and found that we amortized the complete cost of the changeover in
>> less than one year.  But the congregation doesn't understand the full
>> meaning of what I say when I tell them that the infrastructure of the
>> church isn't worth our efforts to save it.  None of it was built to code.
>> Even though it is only around 50 years old, everything has to be
>> replaced -- all the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, septic, parking lot
>> paving, outdoor drainage, concrete floor, single glazed windows with
>> steel
>> casement frames,  --- everything.  The sound system stopped working about
>> a dozen years ago because the insulation rotted off th!
> e copper wires of the 70 volt audio output.  It's all in steel electrical
> conduit, so it shorts out very easily.  But it's NOT just a job for
> pulling
> out the old wire and pulling in new.  All the original conduit was
> undersized, and you can't pull anything out to replace it because the new
> stuff is larger in diameter and won't even fit the existing space.  It's a
> good example for why nothing should ever be left up to a committee.
>> Larry
> Ralph and Larry,
>
> Code changes over time that render church structures non-code compliant
> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant topic.  I have been on
> the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven years.
> It has been an education on building inspectors finding fault with what
> was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met all the
> applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality building.  As
> you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
> membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area have closed or
> are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire protection equipment
> come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
> church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a school on
> property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes overhead.  Hope the
> changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
> discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  Will check it
> out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>
>
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