[AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes

[Bob McNitt]

Charlie - You got it!!! Here they were considering mandating sprinkler 
systems in residential homes. This has gotten insane.

Bob in CNY

On 3/6/2011 7:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Guys the brilliant politicians that run this country now are trying to push
> through a bill that will require everyone to bring their house up to current
> code before they can sell it.
> No they can't escrow the funds for the new buyer to fix it.  It would have
> to be fixed to be sold.   That includes plumbing, electrical, HVAC, windows,
> insulation, green roofing materials (that aren't even current law yet),
> energy efficient appliances, air infiltration (loss and gain) and probably
> some other stuff I've forgotten.  By my estimate (as a certified appraiser)
> most houses over 30 years old wouldn't be worth fixing.   As far as I know
> that proposal has been beat back for now but it's out there and some folks
> want it bad enough that I'm sure they will try to hide it in the law
> somewhere before it is all over.
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> Charlie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Bealke
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:23 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
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> On 3/5/2011 9:14 PM, Larry Goss wrote:
>> You understand completely, Ralph.  REALLY completely!  It's the most
>> frustrating thing you can imagine.  The old tubes were efficient, just not
>> as efficient as someone wanted us to be.  So we've got to go through and
>> change out everything.  When I changed the incandescent emergency exit
>> lights at the church over to CFL's, I did the calculation on power savings
>> alone and found that we amortized the complete cost of the changeover in
>> less than one year.  But the congregation doesn't understand the full
>> meaning of what I say when I tell them that the infrastructure of the
>> church isn't worth our efforts to save it.  None of it was built to code.
>> Even though it is only around 50 years old, everything has to be
>> replaced -- all the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, septic, parking lot
>> paving, outdoor drainage, concrete floor, single glazed windows with steel
>> casement frames,  --- everything.  The sound system stopped working about
>> a dozen years ago because the insulation rotted off th!
> e copper wires of the 70 volt audio output.  It's all in steel electrical
> conduit, so it shorts out very easily.  But it's NOT just a job for pulling
> out the old wire and pulling in new.  All the original conduit was
> undersized, and you can't pull anything out to replace it because the new
> stuff is larger in diameter and won't even fit the existing space.  It's a
> good example for why nothing should ever be left up to a committee.
>> Larry
> Ralph and Larry,
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> Code changes over time that render church structures non-code compliant
> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant topic.  I have been on
> the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven years.
> It has been an education on building inspectors finding fault with what
> was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met all the
> applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality building.  As
> you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
> membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area have closed or
> are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire protection equipment
> come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
> church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a school on
> property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes overhead.  Hope the
> changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
> discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  Will check it
> out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>
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