[AT] sprinkler systems

Dave Rotigel rotigel at me.com
Mon Mar 7 17:40:30 PST 2011


Sprinkler control is not about sprinklers, it's about CONTROL!
	Dave

On Mar 7, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Bob McNitt wrote:

> Carl - I have no idea how they'd work - especially in rural residences 
> with a well. Maybe they'd be effective in, say, Syracuse or Utica, with 
> city water supplies.
> Bob
> 
> On 3/7/2011 7:01 PM, Carl Gogol wrote:
>> Wondering if these sprinkler systems would be full time pressurized to the
>> water supply or just connected to the pumper when the FD shows up?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob McNitt
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:04 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] sprinkler systems
>> 
>> Dan - I can understand new residences, but this one also would've
>> covered existing older ones prior to being offered for sale.
>> Bob
>> 
>> On 3/6/2011 8:54 PM, Dan Folske wrote:
>>> I'm a 20 year firefighter and almost every fire related magazine I see has
>>> an article or two about the need for sprinklers in residential housing. In
>>> some jurisdictions the reduction in your fire insurance premiums would pay
>>> the installation cost back within a few years on new home construction.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bob McNitt
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:04 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>>> 
>>> Charlie - You got it!!! Here they were considering mandating sprinkler
>>> systems in residential homes. This has gotten insane.
>>> 
>>> Bob in CNY
>>> 
>>> On 3/6/2011 7:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Guys the brilliant politicians that run this country now are trying to
>>>> push
>>>> through a bill that will require everyone to bring their house up to
>>>> current
>>>> code before they can sell it.
>>>> No they can't escrow the funds for the new buyer to fix it.  It would
>>>> have
>>>> to be fixed to be sold.   That includes plumbing, electrical, HVAC,
>>>> windows,
>>>> insulation, green roofing materials (that aren't even current law yet),
>>>> energy efficient appliances, air infiltration (loss and gain) and
>>>> probably
>>>> some other stuff I've forgotten.  By my estimate (as a certified
>>>> appraiser)
>>>> most houses over 30 years old wouldn't be worth fixing.   As far as I
>>>> know
>>>> that proposal has been beat back for now but it's out there and some
>>>> folks
>>>> want it bad enough that I'm sure they will try to hide it in the law
>>>> somewhere before it is all over.
>>>> 
>>>> Charlie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chuck Bealke
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:23 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/5/2011 9:14 PM, Larry Goss wrote:
>>>>> You understand completely, Ralph.  REALLY completely!  It's the most
>>>>> frustrating thing you can imagine.  The old tubes were efficient, just
>>>>> not
>>>>> as efficient as someone wanted us to be.  So we've got to go through and
>>>>> change out everything.  When I changed the incandescent emergency exit
>>>>> lights at the church over to CFL's, I did the calculation on power
>>>>> savings
>>>>> alone and found that we amortized the complete cost of the changeover in
>>>>> less than one year.  But the congregation doesn't understand the full
>>>>> meaning of what I say when I tell them that the infrastructure of the
>>>>> church isn't worth our efforts to save it.  None of it was built to
>>>>> code.
>>>>> Even though it is only around 50 years old, everything has to be
>>>>> replaced -- all the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, septic, parking lot
>>>>> paving, outdoor drainage, concrete floor, single glazed windows with
>>>>> steel
>>>>> casement frames,  --- everything.  The sound system stopped working
>>>>> about
>>>>> a dozen years ago because the insulation rotted off th!
>>>> e copper wires of the 70 volt audio output.  It's all in steel electrical
>>>> conduit, so it shorts out very easily.  But it's NOT just a job for
>>>> pulling
>>>> out the old wire and pulling in new.  All the original conduit was
>>>> undersized, and you can't pull anything out to replace it because the new
>>>> stuff is larger in diameter and won't even fit the existing space.  It's
>>>> a
>>>> good example for why nothing should ever be left up to a committee.
>>>>> Larry
>>>> Ralph and Larry,
>>>> 
>>>> Code changes over time that render church structures non-code compliant
>>>> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant topic.  I have been on
>>>> the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven years.
>>>> It has been an education on building inspectors finding fault with what
>>>> was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met all the
>>>> applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality building.  As
>>>> you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
>>>> membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area have closed or
>>>> are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire protection equipment
>>>> come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
>>>> church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a school on
>>>> property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes overhead.  Hope the
>>>> changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
>>>> discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  Will check it
>>>> out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _|___\  __
>>>> |_____/    \          ~ Chuck Bealke ~ Dallas ~
>>>> (  )       \__/
>>>> 
>>>> Surfing find of the week: http://www.thebarnjournal.org/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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