[AT] sprinkler systems

Mon Mar 7 17:12:05 PST 2011

Carl - I have no idea how they'd work - especially in rural residences 
with a well. Maybe they'd be effective in, say, Syracuse or Utica, with 
city water supplies.
Bob

On 3/7/2011 7:01 PM, Carl Gogol wrote:
> Wondering if these sprinkler systems would be full time pressurized to the
> water supply or just connected to the pumper when the FD shows up?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McNitt
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] sprinkler systems
>
> Dan - I can understand new residences, but this one also would've
> covered existing older ones prior to being offered for sale.
> Bob
>
> On 3/6/2011 8:54 PM, Dan Folske wrote:
>> I'm a 20 year firefighter and almost every fire related magazine I see has
>> an article or two about the need for sprinklers in residential housing. In
>> some jurisdictions the reduction in your fire insurance premiums would pay
>> the installation cost back within a few years on new home construction.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob McNitt
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:04 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>>
>> Charlie - You got it!!! Here they were considering mandating sprinkler
>> systems in residential homes. This has gotten insane.
>>
>> Bob in CNY
>>
>> On 3/6/2011 7:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Guys the brilliant politicians that run this country now are trying to
>>> push
>>> through a bill that will require everyone to bring their house up to
>>> current
>>> code before they can sell it.
>>> No they can't escrow the funds for the new buyer to fix it.  It would
>>> have
>>> to be fixed to be sold.   That includes plumbing, electrical, HVAC,
>>> windows,
>>> insulation, green roofing materials (that aren't even current law yet),
>>> energy efficient appliances, air infiltration (loss and gain) and
>>> probably
>>> some other stuff I've forgotten.  By my estimate (as a certified
>>> appraiser)
>>> most houses over 30 years old wouldn't be worth fixing.   As far as I
>>> know
>>> that proposal has been beat back for now but it's out there and some
>>> folks
>>> want it bad enough that I'm sure they will try to hide it in the law
>>> somewhere before it is all over.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chuck Bealke
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:23 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Talking about shops/sheds + (OT) Building Code Changes
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2011 9:14 PM, Larry Goss wrote:
>>>> You understand completely, Ralph.  REALLY completely!  It's the most
>>>> frustrating thing you can imagine.  The old tubes were efficient, just
>>>> not
>>>> as efficient as someone wanted us to be.  So we've got to go through and
>>>> change out everything.  When I changed the incandescent emergency exit
>>>> lights at the church over to CFL's, I did the calculation on power
>>>> savings
>>>> alone and found that we amortized the complete cost of the changeover in
>>>> less than one year.  But the congregation doesn't understand the full
>>>> meaning of what I say when I tell them that the infrastructure of the
>>>> church isn't worth our efforts to save it.  None of it was built to
>>>> code.
>>>> Even though it is only around 50 years old, everything has to be
>>>> replaced -- all the plumbing, electrical, HVAC, septic, parking lot
>>>> paving, outdoor drainage, concrete floor, single glazed windows with
>>>> steel
>>>> casement frames,  --- everything.  The sound system stopped working
>>>> about
>>>> a dozen years ago because the insulation rotted off th!
>>> e copper wires of the 70 volt audio output.  It's all in steel electrical
>>> conduit, so it shorts out very easily.  But it's NOT just a job for
>>> pulling
>>> out the old wire and pulling in new.  All the original conduit was
>>> undersized, and you can't pull anything out to replace it because the new
>>> stuff is larger in diameter and won't even fit the existing space.  It's
>>> a
>>> good example for why nothing should ever be left up to a committee.
>>>> Larry
>>> Ralph and Larry,
>>>
>>> Code changes over time that render church structures non-code compliant
>>> and thus pose financial threats is one pregnant topic.  I have been on
>>> the finance - sorry, Larry - committee of our church for seven years.
>>> It has been an education on building inspectors finding fault with what
>>> was in the mid 50s - when the church was built well and met all the
>>> applicable city and other codes - a splendid, high quality building.  As
>>> you likely know, churches are by and large threatened by diminishing
>>> membership and finances in this age.  Many in our area have closed or
>>> are in the process.  Elevators, wiring, and fire protection equipment
>>> come to mind as items subject to new requirements which can threaten
>>> church financial solvency pronto.  In our case, we have a school on
>>> property (Grades 1-5) and some florescent tubes overhead.  Hope the
>>> changes to lighting requirements like those mentioned in your shop
>>> discussions will not represent too bad a cost for us.  Will check it
>>> out.   Thanks for the heads-up guys.
>>>
>>>
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