[AT] Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20 Follow On

Wed Dec 28 08:44:44 PST 2011

Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20 Follow On

I very much appreciate the comments I received to my post last week asking  
for help on identifying and obtaining a Choke return spring for my 1951  
Ferguson.
Unfortunately, when I finally did a detailed inspection, I find it has a  
Carter UT 0-985 (top marked 0-834) carb, tag numbers are 24189  D6  2,  not 
the original Marvel-Schebler TSX361.

It's run fine with the Carter at least since 1990 when I bought the  
tractor.

The spring fits on the shaft where the manual choke shaft connects to the  
carb, and looks like it has four turns.

I've asked McDonald Carbs for help, but thought this august group might  
have further ideas.  Perhaps I could just take a common hardware coil  spring, 
and connect it to the choke shaft to maintain tension? I hate to pull  the 
carb when it's working OK otherwise, and my Wagner WM-3 loader makes access  
in this area difficult.

Appreciate any assistance.

Steve Zakaluk  

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1.  Re:  Other related collections question for the list (john  hall)
2. Re:  Other related collections question for the  list (john hall)
3.  Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson  TO-20 (SZakaluk at aol.com)
4. Re:  Seeking Choke Return  Spring Ferguson TO-20 (Mattias Kess?n)
5. Re:  Seeking  Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20 (John Dunlap)
6. Re:   Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20 (Paul Waugh)
7.  Re:  Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20 (Charlie  V)
8. Re:  Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20  (John  Dunlap)

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Message:  1
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:59:03 -0500
From: "john hall"  <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Other related collections  question for the list
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Ben, at one time I had the printout of all the IH  owners that were due to 
receive or had received free gas caps as an  outcome of the safety recall 
back in the '70s (or was it early '80's). I  even got a box of old style 
gascaps. If you have ever noticed, some of the  early radiator caps were 
almost identical to the gas caps. I got a couple  of nice "water" caps out 
of 
the box. It was amazing how many of those caps  actually needed replacing. 
I 
know IH was covering their butt replacing the  fuel caps, but there were 
lots 
of tractors out there that really needed a  new fuel cap. And what amazes 
me 
is how many we see in our shop today with  the old caps on them. I point it 
out and tell folks about the current  replacement program.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Ben Wagner" <supera1948 at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email  discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday,  December 22, 2011 8:38 AM
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> If I could choose between literature and  the ledgers for the dealerships,
> I'd choose the  ledgers.
>
>
> Ben  Wagner
>

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Message:  2
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:17 -0500
From: "john hall"  <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Other related collections  question for the list
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It's no telling what got hauled to the scrap yard  at the dealer dad worked 
at. I still remember a new truck engine block  sitting in the back when 
they 
closed up. The truck division had closed  down 20 years prior. Every so 
often 
they would purge the literature and  put a couple boxes out with the trash. 
If an item could be returned they  would. Otherwise it just collected dust 
or 
was sent to scrap. They  probably would have saved more of the old parts if 
it weren't for having  to count them on inventory.

The mechanics kept a stash of old magnetos,  distributors, carburetors, and 
left over O-rings. That all came home with  dad when they closed up.

John Hall

----- Original Message -----  
From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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Sent:  Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Other related  collections question for the list

> This conversation reminded  me of something I think I told on this list 
> many
> years  ago.   A doctor that lives down the road from me told me that  his
> grandfather was an IH dealer on the Del-Ma-Va peninsula, in  Virginia I 
> think
> but maybe MD.  The dealership closed  down, the old man died and the 
family
> wanted to rent or sell the  building so they hired a fellow to haul off 
all
> of the NOS parts,  literature, fixtures, you name it.   They just threw it
> all  away.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----  
> From: john hall
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 8:08  PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re:  [AT] Other related collections question for the list
>
> It's a  good thing you guys are that well organized and can share info.
>  easily. Must have taken quite some time to organize it all.
>
>  For those that did not know it, the Wisconsin Historical Society has 
lots  
> of
> very early IH info that includes operators manuals, parts  books, and even
> blue-prints.
>
> John
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Goss"  <rlgoss at insightbb.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion  group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday,  December 21, 2011 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Other related collections  question for the list
>
>
>> I've been doing that for  years with Power King, Jim Dandy, and Economy
>> tractors, John, but  the situation is a bit different with the products
>> from EPCO  (Engineering Products Company).  They were only in business  
for
>> 50 years, so the whole archive is effectively closed -- there  won't be 
>> any
>> additional models or literature  produced. Bottom line: The archive
>> currently contains around  32,000 pages of literature, and we use a wide
>> geographic  distribution of the whole collection as a way to make sure 
the
>>  information doesn't disappear.  Those of us who actively collect  that
>> brand have the ability to repair and/or restore whatever  model crops up.
>> It's being distributed in PDF format so anyone can  open the whole
>> collection and use it.
>>
>> The  heirs of a former dealership gave me all the literature that had
>>  collected over the lifetime of the dealership.  I filled the whole  crew
>> cab of my pickup to move it all home. About a dozen various  dealers and
>> collectors from across the country have contributed  literature to the
>> archive over the years so we can make it as  complete as possible.
>>
>>  Larry
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu,  22 Dec 2011 18:11:00 -0500 (EST)
From: SZakaluk at aol.com
Subject: [AT]  Seeking Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20
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I'm looking for a source, or comments.  While  moving snow today, I  lost 
the choke spring from my 1951 Harry  Ferguson TO-20.  No chance of  finding 
the 
old one, at least  until the snow melts.

Probably any spring would work, but I'm not sure  how the original hooks  
up.  My manuals aren't any help in  identifying this part.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

Steve  Zakaluk
Falcon CO
_szakaluk at aol.com_ (mailto:szakaluk at aol.com)  

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 Dec  2011 00:22:33 +0100
From: Mattias Kess?n  <davidbrown950 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking Choke Return  Spring Ferguson TO-20
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Snow? I Can't hear you...
Den 23 dec  2011 00:20 skrev <SZakaluk at aol.com>:

> I'm looking for a  source, or comments.  While moving snow today, I  lost
> the  choke spring from my 1951 Harry Ferguson TO-20.  No chance of   
finding
> the
> old one, at least until the snow  melts.
>
> Probably any spring would work, but I'm not sure how  the original hooks
> up.  My manuals aren't any help in identifying  this part.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>
>  Steve Zakaluk
> Falcon CO
> _szakaluk at aol.com_  (mailto:szakaluk at aol.com)
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Message:  5
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:34:47 -0600
From: John Dunlap  <jsdunlap at roadkill.org>
Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking Choke Return Spring  Ferguson TO-20
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
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Steve, I have to find my manual and I can get  you a copy of a photo for
installing a spring....and I hate to tell you,  I'll include a pic of the
spring....it has to be shaped exactly like the  old one....I could never get
any replacement spring from any hardware store  to work. I think I finally
found one on line....I'll look for that info  too. I have a 51 T-30 that is
almost identical in every other way, give me  a day . . . .

John Dunlap
jsdunlap at roadkill.org

On Thu, Dec  22, 2011 at 5:11 PM, <SZakaluk at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm looking  for a source, or comments.  While moving snow today, I  lost
>  the choke spring from my 1951 Harry Ferguson TO-20.  No chance of   
finding
> the
> old one, at least until the snow  melts.
>
> Probably any spring would work, but I'm not sure how  the original hooks
> up.  My manuals aren't any help in identifying  this part.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>
>  Steve Zakaluk
> Falcon CO
> _szakaluk at aol.com_  (mailto:szakaluk at aol.com)
>  _______________________________________________
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Message:  6
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:54 -0500
From: "Paul Waugh"  <paul at plwaugh.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking Choke Return Spring  Ferguson TO-20
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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LOL  right now I wish I has a copy of  email from Mattias from last year or
year before, oh the snow you had then  :)  Just think of it

Paul 

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:23  PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking  Choke Return Spring Ferguson TO-20

Snow? I Can't hear you...
Den 23  dec 2011 00:20 skrev <SZakaluk at aol.com>:

> I'm looking for a  source, or comments.  While moving snow today, I  lost
> the  choke spring from my 1951 Harry Ferguson TO-20.  No chance of   
finding
> the
> old one, at least until the snow  melts.
>
> Probably any spring would work, but I'm not sure how  the original hooks
> up.  My manuals aren't any help in identifying  this part.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>
>  Steve Zakaluk
> Falcon CO
> _szakaluk at aol.com_  (mailto:szakaluk at aol.com)
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Message:  7
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:21:08 -0500
From: Charlie V  <1cdevill at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking Choke Return Spring  Ferguson TO-20
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Steve,

With regard to your choke  question, the two sights below may give you
some insight.  This spring  would have to break in order to come
completely off.  I am not sure  this is the carb your tractor has, but
it could be.  It may be a  starting point.
Good luck.

Charlie  V.

http://www.ytmag.com/ferg/messages/12374.html

http://www.mcdonaldcarb.com/product_p/9n9539.htm

On  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:11 PM,  <SZakaluk at aol.com> wrote:
>  I'm looking for a source, or comments. ?While moving snow today, I  ?lost
> the choke spring from my 1951 Harry Ferguson TO-20. ?No chance  of 
?finding the
> old one, at least until the snow  melts.
>
> Probably any spring would work, but I'm not sure how  the original hooks
> up. ?My manuals aren't any help in identifying this  part.
>
> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>
>  Steve Zakaluk
> Falcon CO
> _szakaluk at aol.com_  (mailto:szakaluk at aol.com)
>  _______________________________________________
> AT mailing  list
>  http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

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Message:  8
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:39:47 -0600
From: John Dunlap  <jsdunlap at roadkill.org>
Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking Choke Return Spring  Ferguson TO-20
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
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2 Christmases ago, here in north Texas we  were homebound for 8
days......drifts in the lane were higher than the hood  of my one ton...and
we don't have snow plows or blowers...

On  Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Paul Waugh <paul at plwaugh.com>  wrote:

> LOL  right now I wish I has a copy of email from  Mattias from last year 
or
> year before, oh the snow you had then  :)  Just think of it
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>  [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mattias  
Kess?n
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:23 PM
> To: Antique  tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Seeking Choke Return  Spring Ferguson TO-20
>
> Snow? I Can't hear you...
> Den 23  dec 2011 00:20 skrev <SZakaluk at aol.com>:
>
> > I'm  looking for a source, or comments.  While moving snow today, I   
lost
> > the choke spring from my 1951 Harry Ferguson TO-20.  No  chance of
>  finding
> > the
> > old one, at  least until the snow melts.
> >
> > Probably any spring  would work, but I'm not sure how the original hooks
> > up.  My  manuals aren't any help in identifying this part.
> >
> >  Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
> >
> > Steve  Zakaluk
> > Falcon CO
> > _szakaluk at aol.com_  (mailto:szakaluk at aol.com)
> >  _______________________________________________
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