[AT] Ethanol

[Dave Rotigel]

Hi Jim, For which oil company do you work?
	Dave

On Dec 30, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Jim & Lyn Evans wrote:

> The problem is you associate bad gasoline with ethanol.  I can assure you
> that 100 percent gasoline made today gunks up the fuel system in 2 months
> without ethanol's help.  Gasoline use to be made by refining crude oil - a
> certain percentage is all the gasoline crude can produce naturally.  Because
> we demand so much gasoline today, the gasoline is artificially created from
> crude using chemicals from the portions of crude that used to create LP or
> diesel..   It creates a higher percentage of gasoline, but it is not as high
> of quality as it was in the old days.
> 
> I have option of buying 10% or pure gasoline where I am at.  I buy E10 for
> all my vehicles and motorcycles (98% of my purchases).  The tractors get E
> nothing just because I don't want to deal with the dirty tanks that will get
> cleaned when I add ethanol.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tatlock
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:09 PM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: [AT] Ethanol
> 
> Phil Vorwerk's carefully written and researched comments strike a note 
> of reason in this discussion.  Anyone with old cars, antique cars, cars 
> built before the '70s are having trouble with ethanol fuels.  Is "gas" 
> any good that can't be kept more than 2 months without separating and 
> forming water in your gas tank?  Small engine repairmen- people who are 
> depended upon for landscapers and yard men and homeowners with small 
> engines-- mowers, garden tractors, all the string trimmers. boat 
> engines, large and small,--- ask those guys how great a boon ethanol is.
> 
> Honest car dealers and repairmen will tell you about the number of fuel 
> pumps, gas lines, and gas tanks that have had to have repairs due to 
> corrosion from ethanol gas.  And the suggestion is to lower our gas 
> mileage by adding ethanol to 15%, aggravating the problem.
> (My gas dealer says the percentage is not stable and may fluctuate from 
> 10% to 15 or 18% even now-- standard brand gas.)
> 
> Maybe the old tractors we talk about here will be ok.  No rubber to 
> deteriorate in fuel lines or aluminum (carb parts?), and they were able 
> to handle pretty much anything except molasses, but engines of other 
> equipment that sit unused for any length of time (over two months?) are 
> possible victims of the dreaded separation effect.   Ask your engine 
> mechanic.  Ask your small engine repairmen.
> 
> Then go buy a $12 bottle of stuff to try to counteract the ravages of 
> ethanol.
> 
> Oh yes-- corn farmers-- good for you, but why does nobody mention that 
> many of you are raising feed corn for ethanol on the same land you used 
> to raise corn for food?  Can't blame you, it makes economic sense.  But 
> bread does cost more.
> 
> I have said all this just to suggest you talk to some of the people who 
> see the negative outcome of corn for fuel.  Brazil makes it from 
> sugarcane-- but we might have trouble raising sugarcane in Dakota.  The 
> present ethanol situation is a tribute to Washington Congressmen (both 
> parties), mostly from the "corn states", and high powered deals made by 
> them and others not-from-corn-states who traded favors as politicians 
> do-- with the "help" of really strong lobbyists.  (There are more 
> lobbyists in DC than there are Congressmen--fact).
> 
> This is an indictment of ethanol-- not the people who raise the grain.  
> Ask around and see what you find out. It may be different from this.   
> This is my opinion, what's yours?
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