[AT] Ethanol

[Phil Vorwerk]

That is interesting.  Like most people, I've attributed the poor quality of 
today's gasoline to the presence of ethanol.  I knew that crude could be 
split at different percentages to yield a different mix of gasoline, 
distillates, and other by products, but I didn't know that as the refiners 
pushed the percentage of the gasoline that the quality suffered.


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From: "Jim & Lyn Evans" <jevans at evanstoys.com>
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> The problem is you associate bad gasoline with ethanol.  I can assure you
> that 100 percent gasoline made today gunks up the fuel system in 2 months
> without ethanol's help.  Gasoline use to be made by refining crude oil - a
> certain percentage is all the gasoline crude can produce naturally. 
> Because
> we demand so much gasoline today, the gasoline is artificially created 
> from
> crude using chemicals from the portions of crude that used to create LP or
> diesel..   It creates a higher percentage of gasoline, but it is not as 
> high
> of quality as it was in the old days.
>
> I have option of buying 10% or pure gasoline where I am at.  I buy E10 for
> all my vehicles and motorcycles (98% of my purchases).  The tractors get E
> nothing just because I don't want to deal with the dirty tanks that will 
> get
> cleaned when I add ethanol.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tatlock
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:09 PM
> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> Subject: [AT] Ethanol
>
> Phil Vorwerk's carefully written and researched comments strike a note
> of reason in this discussion.  Anyone with old cars, antique cars, cars
> built before the '70s are having trouble with ethanol fuels.  Is "gas"
> any good that can't be kept more than 2 months without separating and
> forming water in your gas tank?  Small engine repairmen- people who are
> depended upon for landscapers and yard men and homeowners with small
> engines-- mowers, garden tractors, all the string trimmers. boat
> engines, large and small,--- ask those guys how great a boon ethanol is.
>
> Honest car dealers and repairmen will tell you about the number of fuel
> pumps, gas lines, and gas tanks that have had to have repairs due to
> corrosion from ethanol gas.  And the suggestion is to lower our gas
> mileage by adding ethanol to 15%, aggravating the problem.
> (My gas dealer says the percentage is not stable and may fluctuate from
> 10% to 15 or 18% even now-- standard brand gas.)
>
> Maybe the old tractors we talk about here will be ok.  No rubber to
> deteriorate in fuel lines or aluminum (carb parts?), and they were able
> to handle pretty much anything except molasses, but engines of other
> equipment that sit unused for any length of time (over two months?) are
> possible victims of the dreaded separation effect.   Ask your engine
> mechanic.  Ask your small engine repairmen.
>
> Then go buy a $12 bottle of stuff to try to counteract the ravages of
> ethanol.
>
> Oh yes-- corn farmers-- good for you, but why does nobody mention that
> many of you are raising feed corn for ethanol on the same land you used
> to raise corn for food?  Can't blame you, it makes economic sense.  But
> bread does cost more.
>
> I have said all this just to suggest you talk to some of the people who
> see the negative outcome of corn for fuel.  Brazil makes it from
> sugarcane-- but we might have trouble raising sugarcane in Dakota.  The
> present ethanol situation is a tribute to Washington Congressmen (both
> parties), mostly from the "corn states", and high powered deals made by
> them and others not-from-corn-states who traded favors as politicians
> do-- with the "help" of really strong lobbyists.  (There are more
> lobbyists in DC than there are Congressmen--fact).
>
> This is an indictment of ethanol-- not the people who raise the grain.
> Ask around and see what you find out. It may be different from this.
> This is my opinion, what's yours?
>
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