[AT] gasoline

[Guy Fay]

Uh Dave, they quote British Petroleum itself. 

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
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Hi Guy, The NYT? Now there is an unbiased source if I ever heard of one!
	Dave
PS, Will my son's 1986 M-B 190 16 valve run on NYT BS?

On Dec 31, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Guy Fay wrote:

> Even more discussion, some of those subsidies go back to 1913, back when
> ethanol was more common as a fuel. Maybe it was subsidies back then that
> beat ethanol....
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html?_r=1
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AT] gasoline
> 
> Hi Jim, Now there is an interesting juxtaposition of two unrelated topics
if
> I ever heard one!
> 	Dave
> PS, Please point out to me an "oil subsidy." 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Jim & Lyn Evans wrote:
> 
>> OK. Lets get rid of the oil subsidies also and call off the two wars
>> overseas and let's see where the price of gasoline ends up.
>> 
>> 
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>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ron Cook
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:40 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [AT] gasoline
>> 
>> Subsidies exist for the government to override free market.  Subsidies 
>> push whatever the government wants to push whatever way it wants to push 
>> it.  No subsidies on anything and let the free market work is the way to 
>> solve the problems.
>> 
>> Ron Cook
>> Salix, IA
>> 
>> On 12/30/2010 6:23 PM, Phil Vorwerk wrote:
>>> Oh, I agree, subsidies are needed to help develop new technologies that
>> have
>>> a payback that is so far out on the horizon that no sane person or
>> business
>>> would invest in the research.  I like to see a free market given as much
>>> freedom as possible, but I also know that sometimes intervention is
>>> necessary.  I also realize that the profitability of ethanol swings
> wildly
>>> with the relative cost of crude oil.  (I'm a businessman, but my
> education
>>> is in economics.)  There are a lot of alternative energy sources that
> will
>>> become viable as the cost of crude oil inevitably rises over the course
> of
>>> time.  But after 30 years isn't it time to take off the training wheels?
>> If
>>> the technology has been developed already that it is now efficient and
>>> profitable to produce corn based ethanol why is there any subsidy at
all?
>>> 
>>> I wonder how the grass based ethanol research is progressing.  It
sounded
>>> like it had a great deal of promise a few years ago - from what I heard
> it
>>> was supposed to be more efficient to convert to ethanol than corn, and
> not
>>> as demanding on our land resources.  In fairness, the current ethanol
>>> subsidies could be helping push this research along also.
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
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