[AT] gasoline

Thu Dec 30 20:44:45 PST 2010

Hi jim,
On Dec 30, 2010, at 8:20 PM, Jim & Lyn Evans wrote:

> No he doesn't work for the government, he works for the renewable fuel
> institute, which consists of farmers and ethanol producers as members.
And Federal Grants support the RFI!
>  It
> is an organization just like the Pork Producers or the Beef Producers.
Not exactly!
> He is biased.
WOW, I can hardly believe that.
>  You don't have to believe him.
I don't!
>  Just believe the facts, not
> the lies propagated by the oil industry.
Please point out these "facts." 
> 
> I am also biased.
WOW, I have a hard time believing that.
>  I work for a equipment manufacturer that has done very
> well because corn prices are up.
I already figured that out!
>  I have burned many 1000s of gallons of E10
> in my life without problems.  I can also see the nearest ethanol plant from
> my picture window.
Hell, Sarah can see Russia from her back porch!
> 
> 
> Yes, a 1952 Farmall will run with 100% ethanol.  You will have to richen it
> up some to counteract the less BTUs.
Less btu's than gasoline? What do I have to "richen" it with?
>  It will burn more fuel per hour.
Thus more expensive?
>  If
> you can bump the compression to about 10-1 or more it will run a lot better
> as it will take advantage of the higher octane.
How, exactly can I do that in a 1952 Farmall? I I take 0.001 off the head will that do the trick?
>  You may have to replace
> some of the old rubber in the fuel system.
ROFLMFAO!
> 
> 
> 
> Henry Ford designed his model T to run on 100% ethanol.
Please provide the facts/sites where I can fine out more about this. Did he "bump up the compression to about 10-1?" 
	Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of dglass
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:48 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] gasoline
> 
> I think I would believe the petroleum industry before I would believe 
> this guy.  Does he work for the government?  The government does pay 
> bloggers to fabricate their side of a story when the facts don't support 
> it.   I think I would still buy gas without ethanol if I could get it.
> 
> On 12/30/2010 7:24 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> A set of "facts" provided by the Renewable Fuel Institute? Now there is an
> UNBIASED group FOR SURE! The studies that show ethanol is worth anything
> positive come from GOVERNMENT funded/supported institutions.
>> 	Dave
>> PS, Sure you can trust the government--just ask an Indian!
>> PPS, "Tax insentatives" are simply taxes that the government decides not
> to collect. They are MUCH different that government
> subsidies/welfare!
>> PPPS, Will a 1952 Farmall start/run on 100% ethanol? (See, all this IS
> tractor related!)
>> 
>> On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Jim&  Lyn Evans wrote:
>> 
>>> Read this.
>>> http://www.ethanolrfa.org/exchange/entry/answering-ethanol-attacks/
>>> 
>>> Yes, the facts to speak for themselves.
>>> 
>>> Also, in the last 30 years, the oil industry has received over 130
> billion
>>> dollars in tax incentives.  Renewable fuels received $11 billion in that
>>> same period.
>>> 
>>> http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pages/ethanol-facts-economy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of D8RMAN at aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:20 PM
>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] gasoline
>>> 
>>> Well I guess some will never know the truth either because they are not
>>> smart enough to understand it or they have an agenda. The facts speak for
>>> themselves.  Willard Smith, Yakima, WA.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 12/29/2010 8:15:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>> skoullar at ix.netcom.com writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> BS
>>> 
>>> Landen Schooler
>>> (Iowa corn&  soybean  farmer)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my tractor, in my cornfield.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: D8RMAN at aol.com
>>> Sender:  at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:59:31
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>>> Subject: Re:  [AT] gasoline
>>> 
>>> Using corn to make ethanol also raises our food costs.  Remember supply
> and
>>> 
>>> demand from business 101. Willard Smith, Yakima,  WA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 12/29/2010 7:51:08 P.M. Pacific Standard  Time,
>>> rotigel at me.com writes:
>>> 
>>> Kinda  makes you wonder why  we don't drill for our own oil instead of
>>> putting the  hard working  US farmers on a tax subsidized welfare program
>>> called
>>> "ethanol"   which simply lowers everyone's mpg's!
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28,  2010, at  5:29 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all how about some gas   costs state side. Here it just hit $3.19 was
>>> $3.09
>>>> sunday. All  grades  now have at least 10% ethnol in it.
>>>> R Fink
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