[AT] JD 214 WS timing problems

[Paul Waugh]

Oh My

Good description, and now after 50+ yrs is coming back to me.  thanks

Paul - IN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Gunnells" <brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] JD 214 WS timing problems


> Actually the needles clear the plunger, not really the other way  
> around. The plunger is at full stroke compressing the hay in the  
> chamber. The needles pass up through the slots in the plunger to lay  
> the twine/wire into the knotter. The knotter assembly wraps the knot  
> and cuts the twine/wire. Then the needles retract and the plunger  
> rescinds. As the hay leaves the bale chamber it expands from it's  
> compressed state and causes the knots (in twine) to tighten.
> 
> The stop that is being hit by the plunger is there in case the  
> needles move from their parked position before the full stroke on the  
> plunger. Otherwise the compressed  hay would likely bind or break the  
> needles. The needles never really touch the hay, they merely are the  
> transport to get the bottom side twine/wire passed up to the knotters.
> 
> Funny how intimate you get with the workings of these thing when they  
> don't want to cooperate.
> 
> Brad
> 
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Lew Best wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Carl
>>
>> There are slots in the plunger head on this one that clear the  
>> needles even
>> on full compression.  Not sure the reason for the safety stop since  
>> that's
>> the case but I'm sure there's a reason for it.  Anyway, there's one  
>> part of
>> the timing instructions that's just a tiny bit vague & I've studied  
>> out the
>> parts drawing (after I gave up again when dark caught me); I think  
>> I've been
>> lining everything up by turning the flywheel the wrong direction;  
>> if so that
>> would throw everything off so maybe tomorrow.........
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of carl gogol
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:31 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] JD 214 WS timing problems
>>
>> I know it has been a very long time since I was around a baler, but  
>> on a New
>>
>> Holland baler it seems like the plunger was at the maximum distance  
>> away
>> from the needles when the knotter tripped, not at the closest point  
>> or near
>> to it.  The safety bars stopped the plunger from entering the  
>> needle area
>> while tying was taking place in case timing was off.  This would be  
>> enough
>> to pop the flywheel shear bolt and stop the plunger from smashing  
>> into the
>> needles. Just my recollection from circa 1967 and it could be wrong,
>> distorted or just a teenager's view.  The knotter ties a loose  
>> string and
>> the tension mechanism forms the bale by stretching it and thereby  
>> tightening
>>
>> the string.  It does not require a fully compacted bale during  
>> knotting - in
>>
>> fact I'm not sure the needles could penetrate a fully compacted bale
>> reliably.
>> Carl Gogol - Manlius, NY
>> Tasty grazing in the Oran valley of Central NY
>> AC D14, 914H
>> JD 5320 MFWD
>> Kubota F-2400, B7300HST
>>
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