[AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info

Sun Mar 1 05:33:40 PST 2009

Just building a guard is not the real issue.  The drive shaft has to 
pass through the axle reinforcement that appears to be from a 165. 
Looks like this tractor has had some really hard use.   I would like to 
just paint it over and take it to an auction, but that is how everyone 
else does it....  I have been burned too many times to do that...

Cecil in OKla

charliehill wrote:
> I couldn't remember for sure but I was kind of thinking there was no stand 
> alone belt pully drive.  I like the MF tractors but the one beef I have with 
> them is the sheet metal fits closely around everything and all of the 
> mechanicals are securely covered up.  That is a good thing I guess until you 
> need to work on them  or modify something.  A friend of mine has a 165 and 
> just removing enough sheet metal to work on something is a pretty big job 
> with lots of screws  to keep up with and lots of little holes to get 
> re-aligned before you get it back together.
> Seems like you might have to front mount that pump and build a guard for it.
> 
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info
> 
> 
>> Massey ferguson belt pulley was an attachment that bolted on over the
>> PTO shaft and the belt pulley was behind the driver.  If I did not need
>> the PTO for a mower etc. When the loader was attached, then I could use
>> a PTO hyd pump....  I have got to make this a professional looking
>> installation also.  I looked at that power steering for tractors
>> website, but like most websites, it tells nothing.
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> charliehill wrote:
>>> Cecil is there a belt pulley drive on the tractor?  I've got a PTO drive
>>> pump that came with a backhoe attachement that I plan to mount on the 
>>> belt
>>> pulley drive of one of my D-14's.  That way I can run the backhoe and 
>>> also
>>> have hydraulic capability for a loader or whatever when not using the
>>> backhoe.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have 5 junk combines around here that I could cannibalize a pump from.
>>>>  However, there is no room on a MF65 LP to belt drive a pump.  It would
>>>> have to have a rear exit exhaust manifold and reroute the air cleaner
>>>> pipe to give enough clearance on the right side.  Then you would have to
>>>> fashion 2 idlers for the back side of the belt to give the pump and the
>>>> generator and the fan enough belt contact to drive...  If I could drive
>>>> a double pump or a larger pump with a flow divider from the camshaft
>>>> drive for the power steering, then I could drive the loader pump and
>>>> have some real movement in the loader.  3 gpm off the transmission pump
>>>> is just not enough to really be efficient.  I can put a front pulley
>>>> shaft drive on it, but then I have to build a guard to protect the pump
>>>> and also have to remove the pump and drive to change the fan belt,
>>>> another pain in the butt.  Continental had many types of auxillary
>>>> drives on their other engines so I thought maybe the G176 in the 65
>>>> could handle a 12 gallon pump....
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I had a MF65 on LP follow me home a couple of nights ago.  It has 
>>>>>> issues
>>>>>> with the front axle support that mounts to the engine.  The first time
>>>>>> in 40 years that I have seen one that is cracked.  It doesn't appear 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have ever had a loader mounted.  It must have had a bad wreck or 
>>>>>> fall...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to install a hyd pump to put a front end loader on it if I
>>>>>> ever get a front support found..  Some forklift pumps mount on the
>>>>>> engine and drive off the camshaft.  They use a continental engine. 
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> tractor has power steering.  Could I mount a hydraulic pump off the
>>>>>> camshaft drive for the power steering pump and run a loader and the
>>>>>> power steering.  I could always install a flow divider, or a double 
>>>>>> pump
>>>>>> to get the power steering...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> ================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ceci:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would probably just pull a pump, tank and valve off of a self
>>>>> propelled combine and use those. Many even have usable almost
>>>>> universal pump mounting brackets. Any pump that will lift a 4 or 6 row
>>>>> corn head should handle about any loader.
>>>>> Maybe MF or somebody else even had one to fit that engine if it was
>>>>> ever used on a combine.
>>>>> -
>>>>> I wonder if maybe it was used in tractor pulling? I have seen those
>>>>> things dropped so hard that front axles break completely out from
>>>>> under them. I can't recall just how our MF-65 was built in that area
>>>>> but I wonder if the existing parts could be repaired by welding and
>>>>> built up stronger than original? I have been known to add a good bit
>>>>> of heavy steel to a once broken casting that bridges out beyond the
>>>>> break area sometimes using a bunch of cap screws through the heavy
>>>>> steel into tapped holes in solid parts of the casting.
>>>>> I was going to put a loader on a Farmall 400 with wide front (then
>>>>> changed my mind) but once while I had the front axle out from under it
>>>>> I welded a truss type support under the axle at the pivot to spread
>>>>> the weight farther out on the axle.
>>>>> Years ago we broke a lift arm on my MF-165 and rather than replace it
>>>>> we just welded it and added another piece above it to span the weak
>>>>> area. It works perfectly and has for probably 30 years.
>>>>> A "good" repair can often be many times stronger than the original 
>>>>> part.
>>>>> I mention this generally because I know that you already do stuff like
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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