[AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info

[charliehill]

I couldn't remember for sure but I was kind of thinking there was no stand 
alone belt pully drive.  I like the MF tractors but the one beef I have with 
them is the sheet metal fits closely around everything and all of the 
mechanicals are securely covered up.  That is a good thing I guess until you 
need to work on them  or modify something.  A friend of mine has a 165 and 
just removing enough sheet metal to work on something is a pretty big job 
with lots of screws  to keep up with and lots of little holes to get 
re-aligned before you get it back together.
Seems like you might have to front mount that pump and build a guard for it.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info


> Massey ferguson belt pulley was an attachment that bolted on over the
> PTO shaft and the belt pulley was behind the driver.  If I did not need
> the PTO for a mower etc. When the loader was attached, then I could use
> a PTO hyd pump....  I have got to make this a professional looking
> installation also.  I looked at that power steering for tractors
> website, but like most websites, it tells nothing.
> Cecil in OKla
>
> charliehill wrote:
>> Cecil is there a belt pulley drive on the tractor?  I've got a PTO drive
>> pump that came with a backhoe attachement that I plan to mount on the 
>> belt
>> pulley drive of one of my D-14's.  That way I can run the backhoe and 
>> also
>> have hydraulic capability for a loader or whatever when not using the
>> backhoe.
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] MF 65 LP tractor need hyd pump info
>>
>>
>>> I have 5 junk combines around here that I could cannibalize a pump from.
>>>  However, there is no room on a MF65 LP to belt drive a pump.  It would
>>> have to have a rear exit exhaust manifold and reroute the air cleaner
>>> pipe to give enough clearance on the right side.  Then you would have to
>>> fashion 2 idlers for the back side of the belt to give the pump and the
>>> generator and the fan enough belt contact to drive...  If I could drive
>>> a double pump or a larger pump with a flow divider from the camshaft
>>> drive for the power steering, then I could drive the loader pump and
>>> have some real movement in the loader.  3 gpm off the transmission pump
>>> is just not enough to really be efficient.  I can put a front pulley
>>> shaft drive on it, but then I have to build a guard to protect the pump
>>> and also have to remove the pump and drive to change the fan belt,
>>> another pain in the butt.  Continental had many types of auxillary
>>> drives on their other engines so I thought maybe the G176 in the 65
>>> could handle a 12 gallon pump....
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I had a MF65 on LP follow me home a couple of nights ago.  It has 
>>>>> issues
>>>>> with the front axle support that mounts to the engine.  The first time
>>>>> in 40 years that I have seen one that is cracked.  It doesn't appear 
>>>>> to
>>>>> have ever had a loader mounted.  It must have had a bad wreck or 
>>>>> fall...
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to install a hyd pump to put a front end loader on it if I
>>>>> ever get a front support found..  Some forklift pumps mount on the
>>>>> engine and drive off the camshaft.  They use a continental engine. 
>>>>> This
>>>>> tractor has power steering.  Could I mount a hydraulic pump off the
>>>>> camshaft drive for the power steering pump and run a loader and the
>>>>> power steering.  I could always install a flow divider, or a double 
>>>>> pump
>>>>> to get the power steering...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> ================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ceci:
>>>>
>>>> I would probably just pull a pump, tank and valve off of a self
>>>> propelled combine and use those. Many even have usable almost
>>>> universal pump mounting brackets. Any pump that will lift a 4 or 6 row
>>>> corn head should handle about any loader.
>>>> Maybe MF or somebody else even had one to fit that engine if it was
>>>> ever used on a combine.
>>>> -
>>>> I wonder if maybe it was used in tractor pulling? I have seen those
>>>> things dropped so hard that front axles break completely out from
>>>> under them. I can't recall just how our MF-65 was built in that area
>>>> but I wonder if the existing parts could be repaired by welding and
>>>> built up stronger than original? I have been known to add a good bit
>>>> of heavy steel to a once broken casting that bridges out beyond the
>>>> break area sometimes using a bunch of cap screws through the heavy
>>>> steel into tapped holes in solid parts of the casting.
>>>> I was going to put a loader on a Farmall 400 with wide front (then
>>>> changed my mind) but once while I had the front axle out from under it
>>>> I welded a truss type support under the axle at the pivot to spread
>>>> the weight farther out on the axle.
>>>> Years ago we broke a lift arm on my MF-165 and rather than replace it
>>>> we just welded it and added another piece above it to span the weak
>>>> area. It works perfectly and has for probably 30 years.
>>>> A "good" repair can often be many times stronger than the original 
>>>> part.
>>>> I mention this generally because I know that you already do stuff like
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
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