[AT] Good global warming tractor day

[charliehill]

Carl, I don't want to start a fight over it either and if one starts I will 
not participate.  I do want to point out one thing you said.

"I just feel that there is overwhelming evidence that humans have had an
impact above and beyond the natural cycle of things and that their combined
efforts will make a difference either positive or negative."

The operative word in your sentence is "feel".   Think about it.    While 
you are thinking, watch this you tube clip. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LvEuJsYE7k&feature=related


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Good global warming tractor day


> When I was in grade school I remember the science texts talked about the
> city of NY hauling their garbage out to sea and just dumping it.  A 
> picture
> of ag arbage filled barge was included for emphasis.  I was rather 
> offended
> by that because even those of us that lived in rural backwoods upstate NY
> knew that the right thing to do was to take it to the dump and burn it so
> there wouldn't be any pollution!  I guess another 50 years of prospective 
> is
> a good thing.  We don't know everything today, but we know that since the
> industrial age began carbon dioxide (CO2) levels have increased 
> dramatically
> after being somewhat constant for centuries before steam engines and
> internal combustion engines were common place.  We know this because of 
> our
> ability to drill deep and take old ice samples from the rapidly melting
> polar regions and measure the relative concentration of disolved CO2 over
> these very long periods of time.  We also know that it takes huge amounts 
> of
> energy to change ice into liquid water (heat of fusion) - how fast will
> global temperature change after there are no more polar ice caps to melt
> compared to now?  The earth is a very complex system and has become
> uninhabited before and probably will again, someday.  We hope that there
> will be no super volcanoes to spew out even huger quantites of CO2 to add 
> to
> the atmosphere.  We know that CO2 does tend to hold the earth's heat in, 
> as
> does methane and some other natural and manmade chemicals.  More of them
> will unquestionably have an increasing effect on temperature and further
> disturb the current energy balance.  I don't know if we will ever know 
> when
> the point of no return is reached in all of this. Some models say that it 
> is
> already too late - I don't know. I suspect that most of us will be gone
> before the final chapter and answer page is written in this story.  I just
> don't understand the attitude that humans and their machines couldn't make 
> a
> difference.  After all, the rivers and the seas are so large (in effect
> infinite) that we could never effect them with our chemicals and trash! 
> Yet
> we did pollute them in only part of my lifetime.  I do not want to give up
> my carbon eating tractors or for that matter my personel transportation
> device or heat in the living room.   is just another wonderful ability of
> humans to deny what is clearly in front of them.
> Sorry, just wanted to share and don't particulary want to start a flame 
> war.
> I just feel that there is overwhelming evidence that humans have had an
> impact above and beyond the natural cycle of things and that their 
> combined
> efforts will make a difference either positive or negative.  I now need to
> watch the Daily Show to get some insight on the news of the week.
> Carl Gogol - Manlius, NY
> Tasty grazing in the Oran valley of Central NY
> AC D14, 914H
> JD 5320 MFWD
> Kubota F-2400, B7300HST
> Simplicity 7116H
>
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