[AT] How about this orange tractor, Attn: Travis

[Stephen Offiler]

Charlie, you've basically got it right.  Modern aftermarket scanners
such as the Genisys are trying to provide enhanced functionality to
improve technician productivity, incorporating automated test
routines, troubleshooting assistance, etc.  BUT BUT BUT at the end of
the day they are still machines that read data and it is still largely
up to the technician to make sense of that data relative to the
problems they are trying to repair.  I'm not completely sure I
understand Henry's first paragraph but it seems that he works for OTC,
maker of the Genisys (and Pegisys) scan tools.   Perhaps the comments
in his first paragraph indicate he's toeing his company line, because
you can sell more scanners if you can convince people they do all the
work for you.


Steve O.
(who is also professionally involved in the auto repair industry)


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:56 PM, charliehill <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Henry,  the computer can tell you that a sensor is out of range and that a
> control can not pull it back into range.  The computer can't tell you if
> it's a bad sensor, a bad control, a vacuum leak or a burned valve.  If it
> can I'd love to hear you elaborate on how?
>
> I'm not trying to be argumentative.  I just want to understand.  Also, I'd
> like to know more about your diagnostic equipment.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henry Miller" <hank at millerfarm.com>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] How about this orange tractor, Attn: Travis
>
>
>> As the maker of computer diagnostics (otc genisys), the computer knows
>> about 80%, and the parts replacer just replaces that part (cheaper than
>> fixing it).  There is no real need for brains, so leave them at the door.
>>
>> That other 20%...  Well it is still a 4 cycle engine, and everthing from a
>> 1887 engine appies, plus a bunch of new things like EGR.  Some times
>> understanding hot tube ignition or points helps solve problems even on
>> modern distributorless ignition systems.  The most important part is
>> problem solving skills combined with an understanding of how things work.
>> (Expirence is helpful too)  Once you have that the computer can tell you
>> lots of interesting things, but if you don't know what it means knowing
>> the data won't help.
>>
>> Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, yestergears at intrstar.net
>>><yestergears at intrstar.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Talking with the dealer, he told me they are looking for computer
>>>> operators moreso than mechanics these days.... Amazing... He said
>>>> the computer told them what to replace repair now.  Then all he needed
>>>> was a parts changer.
>>>
>>>I say bullcrap.  That dealer is sadly mistaken, and he will be bitten
>>>by his own perception that all he needs is a "parts changer".  This
>>>perception is rampant in the automotive world these days too, although
>>>most dealers and independent shops know the real score, and it's the
>>>consumer who thinks the computer does all the real work and some
>>>minimum-wage drone hangs the parts.  The fact is, as systems become
>>>more complex, so do the repairs, and even higher-skilled technicians
>>>are required.
>>>
>>>Steve O.
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