[AT] Best way to prevent diesel gel

Sun Dec 13 10:05:45 PST 2009

	Good point Ernie. But who reads the manual. I'm as guilty as the next 
person. The manual says what grade of fuel to use for different climates 
(temperatures). Those that don't know about the different grades for 
diesel fuel might like to read up on it. I include a few links for your 
enjoyment.
	<http://www.tpub.com/content/construction/14264/css/14264_159.htm>
<http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/fuel.php>
<http://www.astm.org/Standards/D975.htm>
	I have seen stove oil (lighter diesel fuel)used in very cold climates 
such as the high arctic. 
<http://www.rrcoop.com/product_pdfs/2007SPEC/Stove_Furnace_Spec.pdf>

	Dick. A tight uninsulated building can be 10-20 degrees warmer than an 
open shelter. Insulation helps too. The think to remember about storing 
a diesel tractor in a warmer building is it will start and run fine 
until you move it outside and drive away when it is cold. I got caught 
on this once when it was around -20F in a blizzard condition. I had what 
we call summer diesel in the tank at the time. The tractor I had 
recirculated the excess diesel that the injection pump didn't need back 
to the tank. I assumed that the recirculation warmth would stop the 
gelling but it didn't. Took me a day with a tarp and a stove to warm the 
tank and fuel system enough to drain it so I could put winter fuel into 
it. There were no additives that would have changed the characteristics 
of the summer diesel so it wouldn't gel.

	My $0.02 for what it's worth.

Rupert


Ernie wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I should probably shut up but this is a touchy subject with me.  I'm not
> going to give any advice besides remember what vintage your diesel
> injections system is from.  The injection system for some of our older
> tractors is a lot more forgiving than the newer systems of today's engines.
> The tolerances of today's diesel systems will not allow some of the home
> remedies of yesteryear.  If you try yesteryear remedies on the sophisticated
> systems of 2009, you might have a big ($)price to pay.  And of course you
> could be lucky. Personally, I would not be willing to try it.  I would use
> whatever the engine manufacture suggests, especially if in or close to being
> within the warranty period.
> 
> Merry Christmas !
>  
>  Ernie  
> Remember: "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big
> enough to take away everything you have."   Thomas Jefferson
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dick Day
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Best way to prevent diesel gel
> 
> I'll pass this on, thanks.  I treat my 55-gallon drum, as well as the tank 
> on the New Holland and, so far this year, have had no problems.
> 
> Mine is stored in an enclosed building, my friend's Agco is parked under a 
> lean-to.  Would that make enough difference to cause gelling?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "charliehill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:02 AM
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Best way to prevent diesel gel
> 
> Dick I can't directly answer your question but back in the 70's I used to
> drive diesel trucks.  I can tell you of a handful of times when drivers
> (myself once) got caught somewhere out of fuel and there was nothing
> available but kerosene.  Supposedly you can put a quart of motor oil in, I
> forget the formula maybe, 10 gal or 5 gal of kero and run it in a diesel
> just fine.  The time it happened to me a seasoned driver was there and told
> me what to do.  It worked in a 6-71 detroit well enough to get me to where
> there was some fuel available.  Also,  many of the military diesels will run
> on anything flamable you pour in them from jet fuel to gasoline.
> 
> It just depends on how much kero your buddy intends to blend in the fuel I
> think.  Also he needs to make sure there is no water in the system.  Adding
> a little bit of alcohol will help with the water.  (plain rubbing alcohol
> will work, so will vodka if you have some that's gone bad, grins)
> 
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Day" <ddss at telebeep.com>
> To: "ATIS" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:47 AM
> Subject: [AT] Best way to prevent diesel gel
> 
> 
>> Once again, a buddy "thought" he had done everything by the book to
>> prevent
>> the diesel in his Agco tractor from gelling, only to find the filter
>> looked
>> like a Christmas candle.
>>
>> He is wondering if using a blend of kerosene with winter diesel would
>> help?
>> A concern would be the lack of lubricants in the kerosene.
>>
>> I was told that it's ok to use as much additive as you want in the winter,
>> that it cannot hurt the engine. He also was told the same thing.  Just
>> recently he was told that is NOT the case.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Dick Day
>>
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