[AT] Ford F250 Diesel makes steam. UH - OH !!!

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Wed Nov 12 13:06:13 PST 2008


Steve I don't oppose them.  I just want them to work and work properly 
without setting my field on fire or burning a child.   Don't make me buy 
something that doesn't work to prevent something you aren't preventing.  Get 
it working and then I'll buy it without you making me do it.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Offiler" <soffiler at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Ford F250 Diesel makes steam. UH - OH !!!


> Charlie:
>
> We seem to agree that global warming is a Big Picture phenomenon that
> has happened cyclically many times in the past, and human
> contributions are trivial.  Therefore attempts to control CO2 are
> misguided (being nice).  Not to mention, if you bought the concept at
> all, that methane gas and water vapor are both orders of magnitude
> more significant "greenhouse gases" and therefore choice to pick on
> CO2 is even more illogical.  That drives me nuts.
>
> But we aren't talking about CO2 because you cannot control that with a
> catalytic converter.  We are talking about atmospheric pollutants
> (NOx, HC, particulates) that make the air appear dirty (smog), make it
> smell bad, and make people fatally ill (carcinogens).  I VERY STRONGLY
> SUPPORT VEHICULAR AIR POLLUTION CONTROLS.  Yes I'm raising my voice.
>
> Steve O.
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:52 PM, charlie hill
> <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> Steve I just think enough is enough.  Particularly when the polution
>> controls do not work and create potential danger.  If you remember just a
>> few years ago,  maybe 20 time flies, the "experts" said if we can just 
>> get
>> rid of CO emissions and turn them into CO2 all our problems will be 
>> solved.
>> Then they had to figure out what to do with NOx created by that fix.  Now
>> that all of that is done suddenly CO2, the very food that feeds every 
>> green
>> plant on this planet and creates ALL of the newly formed carbon on this
>> planet, is now bad and killing us.  I think it's just a bunch of folks
>> looking for dragons to slay so they can keep their jobs.
>>
>> There are regulations on stack emissions from some industrial plants that
>> are so stingent that no one can make a meter that will effectively 
>> measure
>> that low.  Now that's rediculous.  The planet has been so warm in the 
>> past
>> that eastern NC was under the ocean 100 miles inland and guess what, 
>> there
>> were no people around then to create the problem.  It's cyclical and it's
>> going to happen again if we are here or not.  The worst that can happen 
>> is
>> that the planet won't be habitable by humans and that should suit some 
>> the
>> green folks just fine.
>>
>> Now days you all you hear is Clean Coal this and Clean coal that.  I 
>> haven't
>> smelled or seen any coal smoke in 30 years.  When I was a boy, in a small
>> rural town of 900,  100 miles from the nearest factory the winter sky 
>> hung
>> heavy with a cloud of coal smoke almost every day.  There it was, just 
>> over
>> our heads.
>>
>> The problem with this world today is there are a bunch of folks running
>> around who are educated beyond their intellegence.
>>
>> Charlie Hill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephen Offiler" <soffiler at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford F250 Diesel makes steam. UH - OH !!!
>>
>>
>>> OK, Charlie, fair enough.  But am I reading too much into this to
>>> conclude that you are not a fan of pollution controls?
>>>
>>> Steve O.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:33 PM, charlie hill
>>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Agreed Steve but its all part of the same polution system.  If the
>>>> convertor
>>>> wasn't on there the rest of the system wouldn't be and there wouldn't 
>>>> be
>>>> a
>>>> problem.  That is what I meant.  I wasn't trying to be precise.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Stephen Offiler" <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford F250 Diesel makes steam. UH - OH !!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you want to get technical, Charlie, it's the self-cleaning routine
>>>>> of the particulate trap, not the catalytic converter, that's creating
>>>>> the flames.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM, charlie hill
>>>>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How would you like it for your wife or child to walk by that wearing 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> pair
>>>>>> of polyester or nylon pants?  The Chevy stuff with the Isusu diesel 
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I will call a flame arrestor on the end of the exhaust pipe incase
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> accidentally hits it.  It's all because of the catalytic convertors
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "new atislist" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:16 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford F250 Diesel makes steam. UH - OH !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Golly, Steve.  I hope these units come with a lifetime supply of
>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>> dogs.  Looks like a $ 40,000.00 hot dog cooker for the rich guys.
>>>>>>> (Grin)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting video.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie V. in WNY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Nov
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  From what the recall says it's a problem in the way the computer
>>>>>>>> controls the fuel flow. The new vehicles use some extra fuel to
>>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>>> high exhaust system temperatures (over 1000 degrees) to burn off 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> diesel soot and they are malfunctioning and blowing flames.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-07-01.php has more
>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36MCcRPRTc
>>>>>>>> is a video of the oops...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/03/ford_tailpipe_fires.html
>>>>>>>> has a few more stories about the history of flaming Fords.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Steve W.
>>>>>>>> Near Cooperstown, New York
>>>>>>>>
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