[AT] OT - is this a hoax?

Thu May 1 18:39:18 PDT 2008

Neal,

I agree with your concern but if this is a scam wouldn't they want to offer an
unusually attractive price since they won't be paying it anyway?  And they do
mention bringing cash to the owner with a representative.  I agree with all the
caution flags but this one doesn't fit the mold of others I have seen. 

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Mike,
Has all the earmarks of the "Nigerian Scam" with a different location. 
What it will boil down to is he will send you a "cashiers check" for an 
amount above the price of the car, with the request that you forward the 
difference to his "shipping agent" to take care of the delivery.   When you 
take the "cashiers check" to the bank, they will say that it is valid and 
deposit it.  Two or three weeks later, after you have sent part of the money 
to his agent, the check will come back as a forgery.   You will be out the 
money that you have sent off, along with the banks fees, and you will have 
to cover the check with your bank if you have spent any of it.

Check this out from Craigslist (scam # 2). 
http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html

"Victor" wanting to ship a Camry with 180k miles on it to Africa makes about 
as much logical sense as the emails that I get from people who want to share 
their stash of hundreds of millions of dollars with someone whom they just 
picked out of an email address list.

Chances of it being legit are slim to none.

Neal

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <msm10301 at juno.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: [AT] OT - is this a hoax?

> Hi all,
> I could use a little insight into some ruses people use to scam people. 
> I'm selling a car and I get a call from "Victor" who says he is in Africa. 
> I had a hell of a time understanding him so I asked him to email me what 
> he was trying to ask. Here's the email:
>
> Quote:
>
> Michael,
> Thanks for the audience on the phone.Although, you didn't get to 
> understand what I was telling you. I was trying to make you understand 
> that I am not going to be the end user of the car. I intend reselling the 
> car here in Africa. So, I am looking to get a cheap car,
> because, I am going to take care of the shipping cost, which I think is 
> about $1500- $2000 and also the duty I am going to pay for the car at the 
> Seaport here in Africa.
>
> Clearing a car here at the seaport is expensive.I would have loved you to 
> come down in your price.I am willing to pay $3500 considering my other 
> expenses regarding getting the car down here to Africa. You said the car 
> is located in Birmingham. Could you pls tell me the State Birmingham is 
> located in?
>
> If we agree on the price, I have someone in the States who would come to 
> inspect the car on my behalf and also make out payments to you(most 
> probably, cash).
>
> Pls send me an email to this effect so that we can get the ball rolling. 
> Also, I would appreciate if you send me recent pics of the car. My numbers 
> are +2348023254023,
> +23412179252.
>
> Expecting to read from you soon
>
> Victor."
>
> Who would want to ship a Camry with 180,000 miles on it to Africa? I know 
> a lot of you guys have dealt with similar issues when selling tractors, 
> how do you know whether the guy is a scammer. He mentions cash, but these 
> days it's hard to trust cash let alone a cashiers check  ,which can be 
> phony. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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