[AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)

Sun Mar 30 16:25:48 PDT 2008

Wow!  So what paint did you use, and how did you get a gloss like 
that?  (I assume you painted it?)     John

At 10:23 AM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
>My experience with using hardeners shows me that their main advantage is
>that they are easier to use.  Nice gloss without runs and sags is a bit more
>of a challenge without it.  A little care with gun technique makes it
>possible to do a nice job without running the health risks.  Paint repairs
>are also easier to do if necessary.  Here's how straight IH 2150 should look
>without hardener if carefully done with probably less than $40 worth of
>paint.
>http://gwill.net/Album/Tractors/Farmall/H/Mike_1.jpg
>
>George Willer
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:29 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> >
> > Good food for thought Dudley!  I'm still thinking about it.  To my
> > way of thinking having a tractor so perfect is not much fun--and too
> > expensive for what I do with them.   I'm still enjoying learning how
> > just to get a decent "farmer quality" paint job.       John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:17 AM 03/30/2008, you wrote:
> > >George's response/philosophy on using the old standby paints has reminded
> > me
> > >that this is my philosophy as well.  I guess, however, that I arrived at
> > >this philosophy not because of safety concerns (although safety should
> > >always be paramount) but because I've become cheap.
> > >
> > >In 1984 I entered the muscle car world when I bought a 67 GTO and like a
> > lot
> > >of folk in that world I wound up pouring a gazillion dollars into
> > bodywork
> > >and paint to say nothing of the mechanical work.  As you might guess this
> > >became a "garage queen" which only made it out on a handful of occasions
> > >each year.  I was always up tight that someone's knees, elbows, chin
> > (when
> > >they bent over to inspect), grimy fingers or just their moist breath was
> > >going to come into contact with the car.  When my oldest granddaughter
> > was
> > >about four (she just turned seventeen) I came so close to yelling at her
> > to
> > >not touch grandpa's car when it dawned on me that this is not the kind of
> > >guy, let alone grandpa, that I want to be.  I kept the car for several
> > more
> > >years but I virtually lost all interest in it and my attention turned to
> > >antique tractors, which I vowed would never have expensive paint jobs for
> > >the reason given above.
> > >
> > >My first tractor restoration, which was in 95, was a 52 John Deere Model
> > B
> > >that I sprayed with John Deere green (no hardener) and brushed with John
> > >Deere yellow ...less than a hundred bucks in paint.  There are scratches
> > now
> > >on the sheet metal from the tractor going through brush and fuel stains
> > >around the gas cap but I've come to love those imperfections as they
> > remind
> > >me not of a showroom tractor but of a real working tractor.
> > >
> > >I had a Super H Farmall sprayed with PPG/Ditzler paint with hardener five
> > or
> > >six years ago and then a year later I sprayed an MTA with IH paint (no
> > >hardener).  Like George said regarding his experience it's pretty hard to
> > >tell the difference.  These tractors also have fuel stains around the
> > filler
> > >cap and one has a small rear engine oil seal leak and the other a
> > hydraulic
> > >leak at the two-way valve.  But to me it's these imperfections that give
> > the
> > >tractor entry into the working class of tractors.
> > >
> > >I still enjoy very much going to car shows and admiring the $$$$ paint
> > jobs
> > >just as I do the tractors at the shows.  But I am now content to let
> > someone
> > >else pay for them and get the ulcers from worrying about them while I
> > enjoy
> > >playing in the dirt or mowing fields with my tractors.
> > >
> > >Dudley
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > >[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of George Willer
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:34 AM
> > >To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > >Subject: Re: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> > >
> > >John,
> > >
> > >Take it from a guy with badly damaged lungs.  There is no reverse!  The
> > >catalyzed paints are best left to the professionals with their exotic
> > >equipment.  Those of us who are doing our own painting with less than
> > >perfect equipment can still get a nice job using the old standby paints
> > that
> > >don't require the dangerous additives.
> > >
> > >Some years ago I painted two identical tractors two weeks apart using IH
> > >dealer supplied paint... one with hardener and one without.  I can only
> > tell
> > >them apart now by the damaged (lifted) paint around the gas cap.  That's
> > the
> > >one with hardener.
> > >
> > >George Willer
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
> > > > bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of John Wilkens
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:19 PM
> > > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > Subject: [AT] respirators and Isocyanates (Urethane paint)
> > > >
> > > > Thought it's about time I got serious about tractor painting and my
> > > > health!   Can anyone suggest an affordable air-supplied face
> > > > mask/hood that I could hook up to my air supply?  I'm starting to do
> > > > a lot more painting with catalyzed paint (mostly acrylic urethanes)
> > > > and I don't have a multi gazzillion dollar vented paint
> > > > booth.....just an empty wood shed.....until the weather get good
> > > > enough for outside painting.  The more I read about the nasty
> > > > isocyanates in paint catylists the more I think I'd better protect my
> > > > lungs!  Looking for ideas.       John W.
> > >
> > >
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