[AT] Hydrogen fuel

[rlgoss at insightbb.com]

LOL!, Steve.  Funny thing, no one has repealed the laws of thermodynamics.  Entropy is always with us.

As George knows, I worked with a design for a fuel-cell tractor over 50 years ago.  I was finally "allowed" to pursue the design after Allis-Chalmers published news of their prototype.  But there were so many problems (including an ambient operating temperature of over 700 degrees for the fuel cells) that I was embarrassed to even report back to International Harvester with the design.  Fortunately, the Selective Service system was breathing down my neck and I was able to head off for active service with the US Air Force without having to report back to IH.  It's just as well.  IH was looking for breakthrough ideas for the Cub Cadet prior to its introduction.  I missed the message, so the design I came up with was not even in the ballpark.

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: soffiler at ct.metrocast.net
Date: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:15
Subject: Re: [AT] Hydrogen fuel
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>

> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> From: Ed Stewart <edstewart1 at verizon.net>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Hydrogen fuel
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:35:29 -0500
> 
> >I am a member of the Hydroxy group on Yahoo 
> >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/ There are a
> >bunch of fellows  working on ways to obtain Hydrogen from
> >water for fuel and sharing info  with eachother,. Ed
> 
> 
> As George Willer has pointed out (by the way, HI GEORGE!)
> you need to input energy to split a water molecule into
> separate hydrogen and oxygen atoms.  Under absolutely
> perfect conditions (impossible to attain) you get back
> exactly what you put in when they recombine, nothing more. 
> Therefore hydrogen is an energy storage medium, like
> compressed air or a rechargeable battery.  Hydrogen is not
> an energy SOURCE like petroleum, natural gas, or sunlight.
> 
> The thinking that somehow water can be spit into hydrogen
> and oxygen easily, with little energy input, is analgous to
> modern alchemy.  Check history - they finally gave up trying
> to turn lead into gold.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Steve O.
> 
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