[AT] Canola to diesel

Tue Feb 6 09:29:13 PST 2007

So could the old ('50s era) Fordomatics. I used to roll start my old
'53 Mercury daily.

Phil

----- Original Message -----
>From    : charlie hill <chill8 at suddenlink.net>
Sent    : Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:49:17 -0500
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Subject : Re: [AT] Canola to diesel

>I think the old Crysler torque flight transmissions could be push started.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Bridges" <bridgescharles at hughes.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel

> Never knew they built one like that.  I would guess you could tow it 
> without damageing the transmission also.
>
> Mercedes engineers will think outside the box!
>
> Charles
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> From: "Larry D Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
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> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel
>
>
>>I don't want to take sides on this issue, but I'd like to relate my 
>>experience with a Mercedes Diesel.
>>
>> The MB automatic transmission on my 200D was unique in that it had
>> pumps in it that ran off of the output shaft as well as the input shaft. 
>> As
>> a result, it was possible to push start the engine.  I did it regularly. 
>> I
>> would park it in the first row of the faculty parking lot on the side of 
>> the mountain at the university in West Virginia.  When it came
>> time to head for home, I would put the transmission in neutral, let the 
>> car
>> coast down into an alley, turn the corner onto the main drive, and head 
>> down
>> the mountain.  By the time I had traveled 50 feet or so, I could move the
>> shift lever into low and the engine would start spinning.  In another 50
>> feet the engine was running and I started giving it some throttle.  As I
>> said, I did this regularly rather than go through any of the pre-heating
>> procedures.  I always started it at idle, so the throttle plate was 
>> closed.
>> No preheating of the glow plugs; no red-hot B-B's in the pre-combustion
>> chamber; no reduced compression ratio because of a closed throttle plate.
>>
>> Any time I checked the compression of the engine, it was in the 300 psi
>> range.  That is with the throttle plate closed, all the glow plugs 
>> removed, and the engine spinning with
>> just the starter motor.
>>
>> BTW, I only need to pre-heat the glow plugs on my Kubota tractor when the 
>> ambient temperature gets down to around freezing.
>>
>> I suspect that with this spell of cold weather we're all suffering a bit 
>> from cabin fever.  As my Dad used to say, "I'll hold your coats while you 
>> and him fight."  :-)
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Knierim" <ken.knierim at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
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>> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Canola to diesel
>>
>>
>>> Tom,
>>>     The fact that the engine has a throttle plate and the ball pin
>>> indicates it has different parts than a true Diesel engine. Take them
>>> out to make it a Diesel and see what happens. From the description
>>> given, this engine is a lot closer to a "hot-bulb" engine. Might I
>>> suggest you do some research on those engines?
>>> There are a number of different engines that will burn diesel fuel; I
>>> have a TD-14 crawler that starts on gas and switches to diesel. It's a
>>> combination of different types of engines; it has a direct injection
>>> pump on one side and a carb and spark plugs on the other.
>>> There are also the "kerosene" types that preheat the fuel in the
>>> manifold; they can burn diesel as well but that does NOT make them a
>>> Diesel engine. There is also a Hesselman that used direct injection
>>> that fit your classification but had a very low compression ratio
>>> (Allis Chalmers and Case tried them). It wasn't a Diesel either.
>>> Honest, there IS a difference. The fact that you've been able to start
>>> it without the factory-installed glow plugs doesn't mean they're not
>>> necessary; the factory engineers had to justify them to the
>>> beancounters before they put them in, so they're probably there for a
>>> reason, just like the ball pins. You might not know the reason, but
>>> I'd venture a guess the factory engineers knew why. A true compression
>>> engine would not require the "hot bulb' of the heated ball pin.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_bulb_engine
>>> is a good link and they have a comparison with a Diesel engine.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Ken in AZ
>>>
>>> On 2/5/07, Tom Yasnowski <tomyasnowski at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Of course diesel engines have changed and improved over the years.  But 
>>>> the
>>>> basic premise is still the same--ignition thru compression of fuel as
>>>> opposed to a spark.  George says with the MB glow plugs are necessary 
>>>> for
>>>> ignition.  Wonder how I started mine cold when my glowplugs were not 
>>>> working
>>>> last fall? The heated ball pin aids in combustion but is not required.
>>>>
>>>>
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