[AT] E85/Flex Fuel conversions

[RonMyers at wildblue.net]

Dang!!! its nice to her someone who actually understands the system and
how it works.
I heard a scientist on Fox news the other day say that Carbon dioxide is
not a pollutant we need it to grow trees that make oxygen to keep us all
living.

Funny how people get caught up in all this trash.  I'm not saying that our
autos don't need to be cleaned up I lived in the LA, CA area in the early
60s and WOW! that was no place to live. How ever I'm more worried about
the total loss of our way of life than the total loss of fossil fuels. I
don't think the Arabs will cut us off as it also cuts off their income by
doing it.

Money is one thing that can turn religion around it can't operate without
it so the bad guys are caught between a rock and hard spot when cutting us
off from their oil.

Well i'm new to the list and should not be getting off topic like this but
this is one of the things that we should study and learn more about from
all sides of the equation.

Ron





> Mike,
>
> Once again you've hit the nail squarely on the head!  If our politicians
> can
> ever get over their political posturing and get down to serious solutions
> for our true problems, neglected energy needs will be met for all our
> benefit.
>
> First, for short term solutions we MUST develop our domestic energy
> sources
> by drilling for oil and gas wherever it exists rather than buying it from
> people would like to kill us.
>
> Second, We MUST get rid of this NONSENSE about hydrogen being any kind of
> solution other than a way to transport energy produced by other means.
>
> Third, Ethanol has been good for the price we receive for our corn, (yes,
> I
> receive it too) but as an energy source it's a farce.  We can do much
> better.
>
> Fourth, If we collect as much solar energy as the nitwits think we can the
> world will be a very dark place.
>
> Fifth,  Wind energy is nothing but wind.  Only a very small percentage of
> that available can ever be harvested at huge expense.  It's unlikely to
> ever
> be economically possible replacement for fossil fuels.
>
> Sixth,  We MUST get rid of the bias against the only true source of useful
> energy readily available to us... Nuclear.
>
> In order to do the above we need to revise our so-called educational
> system
> that produces so many miss-guided souls who are opposed to solutions they
> don't understand.
>
> I'm not optimistic.  algore and his tree huggers haven't been completely
> discounted!  At least not yet!
>
> George Willer
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-
>> bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sloane
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:32 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] E85/Flex Fuel conversions
>>
>> Unfortunately, the comparison between Brazil's use of sugar cane vs. the
>> US use of corn doesn't work. Brazil has only a tiny fraction of the
>> number of cars and roads compared to the US, and sugar cane grows like a
>> weed with very little mechanical/chemical input, and harvesting is done
>> mostly by hand. In the US at this time, it takes more inputs of energy
>> in the form of chemical fertilizers/herbicides/insecticides and
>> mechanical planting/harvesting/producing than you get out. And if it
>> wasn't for a healthy government subsidy, ethanol would cost far more
>> than gasoline. And ethanol doesn't produce as much working energy per
>> gallon as gasoline. In addition, ethanol doesn't store well and is
>> difficult to transport. Finally, if you divert corn production to motor
>> fuel, then that will create price pressures on animal feed and human
>> foods. While ethanol is certainly one possible piece in the drive to
>> reduce imports of crude oil, only a significant reduction in the use of
>> oil by drivers, manufacturers, and electric producers is going to make
>> any serious impact. For that to happen, you need to have a whole laundry
>> list of changes in the way this country uses oil - more efficient
>> vehicles, less wasteful driving, alternate forms of electricity
>> generation, less wasteful use of lighting, and so on. And you need a
>> real commitment on the part of the government, not just some high
>> sounding words from Washington.
>>
>> Mike (S)
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>> > I saw a program on Discovery or some such channel about how a country
>> > in South America, Brazil I think, was going to be completely
>> > independant from foreign oil in a couple of years. They will be
>> > making all their fuel from sugar cane alcohol. They had started
>> > phasing out oil years ago, and are now to a point where they can do
>> > completely without it. It sure seems like we could do the same thing
>> > with all the corn we produce.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > -- "David A. Laughead Jr." <daljr at bright.net> wrote:
>> > I haven't found or heard much about E85 fuels. What I know is that
>> > not many
>> > vehicles can run it. I support it fully.
>> >
>> > I have found less about conversions for non compatible vehicles. But
>> > I did
>> > just find this product I guess I need to look into it further. Go
>> > here for
>> > it http://flextek.com/index.htm
>> >
>> > I thought this could be a good discussion,
>> > Dave Laughead
>> > Arcanum, ohio
>>
>> --
>> Mike Sloane
>> Allamuchy NJ
>> <mikesloane at verizon.net>
>> Website: <www.geocities.com/mikesloane>
>> Images: <www.fotki.com/mikesloane>
>>
>> It's hard to argue against cynics - they always sound smarter
>> than optimists because they have so much evidence on their side.
>> -- Molly Ivins
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